“My concern is the increasingly polarised debate about transgender rights and the ways it which it might be possible to reach some sort of accommodation that suits everyone.”
Yes. We have seen what ‘your’ concern is.
This poster’s desire to live their life still using female single sex spaces believing they are especially entitled to them for their safety, knowing that even just so often they are then
likely leaving a wake of women and girls in distress and adding to women and girl’s with religious needs being excluded from public life.
On that AMA, they expressed derision eventually that it is ‘them’ - distressed girls and women, who had to cope with this male individual’s presence. They (the male individual) ‘just wants to pee.’
Apparently, that makes them different from those other males forcing women and girls to feel unsafe.
They have repeatedly declared how much they love, respect and have empathy for all women. That is absolutely riven false by every other utterance.
But they cannot or choose not to see it. They cannot have missed so many of us pointing it out to them, so the only alternative left is that they choose not see it.
“Is it not possible to have a civil disagreement without labelling each other in this way?”
This poster’s posts follow a misogynistic pattern and thus I don’t consider them ‘civil’.
The entire premise of their structuring of womanhood is based on misogyny. It seems to be in turn based on your their misandry.
The posts about women’s prisons and how this poster viewed their sister’s experience at school, have resembled posts from men’s rights activists with a tweak. That tweak being, that they want into that perceived version of ‘womanhood’. They completely misunderstood the need and the basic premise of awards and programs that were created to reward exceptional women in the need to balance millennia of negative sexism based on our sexed bodies.
The reality seemed to completely bypass them completely. That some, likely many women, have ‘self-esteem issues’ that were described because of that millennia is negative sexist discrimination. But this poster leveraged themselves into the group deserving of that support program. Based off fucking stereotypes they have repeated and repeated again. The misogyny knew no boundary when they even fucking asked why women were offended when they described positive stereotypes. They treat sexed stereotypes as a fucking aspirational list! They even then tried to enforce women to adhere to that list of womanliness with remonstrations for us to be kind and describing us as ‘mean’.
The emotional manipulation intertwining through these posts has been very clear too. It is all there for everyone to see.
And yes, I am repeating myself. I am not posting for alpha’s benefit. I am posting for anyone reading who cannot quite see the inherent misogyny, emotional manipulation and cognitive dissonance, the inherent dishonesty and intellectual disconnect all through these posts. When you read them all
together it is overwhelming! As some posters have also commented after reading that AMA thread.
I and others will keep repeating our posts because they tell us they seek a compromise. They talk about it. But they have also stated, as we have had some posters already this years also tell us, that if that compromise is not available to them at the time, they will simply use the female single sex option.
Rendering all their words here meaningless.
And yet, I then compare their posts to the posts we have from female people who have taken testosterone who post here. They acknowledge full well that their presence in a female single sex space is likely to cause distress to girls and women. They seek alternative solutions every time. They won’t use male toilets because they are female. So they have developed networks that discuss single sex space needs throughout the UK to plan their needs.
Sure this poster is paying lip service to ‘seeking’ this compromise. It seems to me that they do so because they wish to live up to their own aspirational stereotypes to really prove to themselves that they are a woman!
Their proposal, any compromise proposal, will still leave many locations without third space options. And just to repeat for anyone reading thinking this is a good compromise, that means they will use female single sex spaces again. Just in less places. Like that is a worthwhile compromise.
‘If you be nice and compromise then ‘sometimes’ I won’t use the female single sex spaces, while you still use my demanded pronouns, and let me tell everyone that I am a woman while basing my entire life on harmful stereotypes (that I believe are supportive and aspirational, why don’t you)’ seems to be basis of the compromise.