JKRowling. Prepared to go to prison for women's rights.

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JK Rowling: I’ll happily go to prison for women’s rights

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/32d91356-6d9b-11ee-b5d7-5487922f056f?shareToken=f1594da48d0791b9d9a9e2a6cd8965c2. Hopefully this works for everyone. She really is a Queen.

Well, I just wrote something on X
Twitter that will probably send me into the nearest slammer. Let's all do it and see if the taxi payer can afford it?

Lol tax payer not taxi. Although if anyone fancies paying my taxi fare to prison i will allow it

No they don't, because there are not "other women".
There are only women, of which trans women are not part.
There are not two different kinds of women, only those who ARE women.

They have similar emotional needs to some other kinds of men.
But not women.

They'll have to build more prisons. I wonder if they'll build one just for gender critical feminists. They could call it azkaban. The library would be amazing Dworkin everywhere!

If everyone’s as physically buggered as me, it’ll need its own age-related massive hospital wing and a bank of wheelchairs, a decent gynae ward, a sensory impairment service, skin cancer unit, and dietician.

And I’d insist on the jail time, not a suspended sentence, so I can set up my own advice service in the library and win over the top dog with my usefulness.

A suspended sentence gets turned into an actual custodial sentence if you break any conditions or commit the offence - or in this case the "offence" - again.

Shouldn't be too difficult. In fact, it could well be inadvertent.

@AlphaTransWoman do you think 'emotions' make a man a woman? Do you not think men have emotional needs? Could you outline briefly for us what the differences are between mens and womens emotional needs? I have always assumed that all humans have similar emotional needs but it appears that I am mistaken and that there are unique women's emotional needs that I, a woman have failed to notice.
Nb lipstick is not an 'emotional need', neither are high heels.

Can you be more specific please?

What emotional needs do they have which are the same as those of women and different from those of men?

What would be the point of building a special prison for gender critical feminists?

I'm fairly sure the number of female prisoners who want to be incarcerated with male prisoners is zero, whether they identify as gender critical feminists or not.

Maybe we could just have prisons for women who don't want to be incarcerated with biological males, even those who have girly feelings.

To be fair… there is probably a big overlap in emotional needs between men and women. But that’s because we are all human.

In any case, decisions about single sex provision or people’s right to perceive reality are not about the ‘emotional
needs’ of anyone. The concept of transwomen’s ‘emotional needs’ is not relevant to discussion about prison placements.

It is really quite odd that the idea of choice or preference is invoked in any discussion about prison placements.

Being sent to prison is being deprived of your liberty by the state. It’s not getting a choice in your accommodation. We have male and female prisons (or sections within them). You get put in one according to your sex/security considerations/space considerations. What you want or what would make you feel less sad just isn’t part of the process.

Except somehow we’re all supposed to be kind and let men who say they are women choose. 🙄

And if we are talking about meeting people's needs in prison I think we need to make sure we're meeting their physical needs before we worry about their emotional needs.

Such as:

• the physical needs of Zahid Mubarek not to be locked in a cell with a dangerous white supremacist who beat him to death with a chair leg hours before he was due to be released from a 3 month sentence

• the physical needs of Cheryle Kempton not to be forced to share space with a violent male rapist known as "Karen White" who sexually assaulted her in that space

• the physical needs of the pregnant 18 year old to have someone answer the fucking emergency call when she was in labour so that she didn't give birth alone in her cell, sever the umbilical cord with her teeth and then witness her baby die

Let's sort those needs out before we worry about prisoners' emotional needs, trans or otherwise.

If you are particularly worried about your emotional needs not being met in a prison for members of your own sex then not committing crimes is always an option.

Petting zoos apparently.

I fail to see why transwomen require more special provision than vulnerable male prisoners such as those with learning disabilities. After all, trans campaigners say it's not a mental illness and associate it with joy, euphoria and even godlike status. Equal treatment should be a given.

Not forgetting that women in prison are especially vulnerable and more likely to have been the victim of sexual abuse. This will be a significant minority if not majority of all female prisoners.

Thus the emotional needs of women in prison may well be to away from males due to trauma.

And thus the emotional needs of transwomen, no matter how similar they might be to women, will always remain different and incompatible and in direct conflict.

Because women are women. And transwomen are still men.

You can not change this.

You can not say
The question is how to meet these, and ensure their safety and dignity, without putting other women at risk by admitting them to female prisons.

Because it misses one very fundamental point and AlphaTransWoman highlights it well.

AlphaTransWoman talks about meeting the safety and dignity of transwomen, and only mentions 'the risk' to women. AlphaTransWomen doesn't mention the emotional needs of the women. And AlphaTransWomen remains silent on the dignity of women.

Its like the emotional needs and dignity of women don't exist. They are invisible. Only the emotional needs and dignity of transwomen are mentioned.

And THAT is the problem in a nutshell.

Transwomen need specialist services for Transwomen. Not to share them with women.

Petting zoos apparently.

so when I catch DH and DSs cuddling the cats or fussing the dog they are trying to come out to me as trans?

@Rightsraptor

But why does it matter if a masculine looking man is in a mini skirt. Yes it looks frankly ridiculous, fools nobody but that's just personal choice, not affecting you. If same person demands to use female changing at the leisure centre, that's different, that affects women

This.

There's no 'other women' here,you're talking about men.

If men (who pretend they are women) don't want to be locked up with other men, they could always just not commit the fucking crime in the first place.

The question is how to meet these, and ensure their safety and dignity, without putting other women at risk by admitting them to female prisons.

@AlphaTransWoman bit transphobic of you to suggest trans women could ever be a danger to women. Firstly they are the exact same thing, secondly trans folx are all without exception* kind, gentle, just wanting to peeeeee, the most vulnerable and oppressed.

*Any pink legging wearing rapists or child abduction pedophiles who have been living 'as a women' for 10 years aren't actually trans, even though they say they are (or now say they aren't) and saying you are trans is the only measure of trans-ness. Is that clear?

Now report to your nearest reeducation center to ensure there are not any repeats of your wrong think.

Trans women may have similar emotional needs to other women

What would these "emotional needs" be that women as a sex and a small group of males have?

Apologies I see several other people have asked that question. And it's still awaiting an answer.

As far as I can work out, in the context of prison, the argument appears to be that trans women have physical needs and emotional needs.

The physical need is safety. I think most of us would say it is unarguable that safety is a physical need, but that everyone has an equal need for safety, including women whose safety is compromised if they are housed with males, and vulnerable men whose safety is compromised by the fact that they are vulnerable, but who do not identify as women and are therefore not allowed in the women's prison estate.

Let's say we could guarantee trans women's safety in the men's prison estate.

Is that sufficient? If not, why not? Because of the emotional need that cannot be met in a men's prison?

OK.

So what is the emotional need? To be affirmed as women? To be in a women's space because this constitutes "proof" that they are women and that they are seen as women by society?

That is an emotional need that only trans women have.

The rest of us don't need to be affirmed as women because we actually are women. We know it, everyone knows it, there is no debate about it.

So being affirmed as women is not an emotional need that both trans women and women have.

Don't apologize - if enough of ask we might get an answer. I mean it hasn't worked for 'what make you believe you are a woman rather than a man', 'so if it isn't biological how do define woman' or 'how do you tell a genuine trans person from a predator trying to game the system' or any of the other FAQs but maybe one day @AlphaTransWoman or one of the other posters that seem to think it's just silly little women are failing to grasp a simple concept will come back with a clear, concise answer to one of these questions (rather than ignoring them or serving a jumbo word salad) and all will become clear.

So what is the emotional need? To be affirmed as women? To be in a women's space because this constitutes "proof" that they are women and that they are seen as women by society?

That is an emotional need that only trans women have.

The rest of us don't need to be affirmed as women because we actually are women. We know it, everyone knows it, there is no debate about it.

So being affirmed as women is not an emotional need that both trans women and women have.

What about the emotional need for abused women to be away from males?

As I say the emotional needs of women seem to be totally invisible when discussing this matter. Only the emotional needs of transwomen are ever mentioned.

Plus if all transwomen are women, then if you have a section within the prison system only for 'special women with a super special certain vulnerability' then whats the fucking problem?