JKRowling. Prepared to go to prison for women's rights.

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JK Rowling: I’ll happily go to prison for women’s rights

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/32d91356-6d9b-11ee-b5d7-5487922f056f?shareToken=f1594da48d0791b9d9a9e2a6cd8965c2. Hopefully this works for everyone. She really is a Queen.

It’s not just the charitable giving @Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g - she is positively infamous for paying every last bit of tax possible & the two combined keep her a mere millionaire.

Oh for goodness sake @AlphaTransWoman - do you hear yourself? Women are not support animals. We do not exist to validate males, any males, whatever identity they believe themselves to hold; nor are we a resource to be exploited. The solution to the “problem” is either a separate space for TW in the male estate; or placement in the VPU (where a high proportion of TW prisoners are already automatically placed due to the nature of their crimes). As for gardens & pets, those are hardly unique to women’s prisons: Maghaberry (high security/Cat A) has a garden & prisoners are allowed to have pets - in 2017 they’d more there than at any other high security prison in the UK. Access to gardens & animals depend on available space & the conduct of prisoners/their level of privileges. Between 2002 & 2005 the number of prison farms in England & Wales was drastically slashed from 23 to 5, but farms are rather different from gardens.

So would I. I will not be forced to lie every time I refer to my son; that would be equivalent to lying to him, deliberately. It's bad enough finding myself trapped in dishonesty over someone else I can not correctly sex because of my discomfort with conflict and 'their' fragility over 'their' 'identity'.

I've been inside a men's prison. Was part of an education programme for lifers. Age range: young adult to an elderly man.

Prisoners stay much calmer and open to rehabilitation when offered opportunities, which in turn means that staff are safer, and the other prisoners are safer. I found the group I taught very engaged and they honestly just wanted to talk about anything that wasn't about prison, prison rules and prison life.

Programme slashed of course owing to staffing issues. (Education staff need to be guarded.)

If TRAs really gave a shit about male prisoners they'd campaign for increased staffing levels in male prisons.

No amount of rereading will help, Arabella. I can’t help hoping comments like these come from a bot.

@AlphaTransWoman I can tell you what the answer isn't and that is for women to be forced to tolerate men in their prisons.

Exactly. I've worked and volunteered in male, female and mixed youth prisons in more than one country. Everything from horrible, loud, ugly Victorian monstrosities to lovely ones with proper houses and beekeeping. I know which I'd prefer to b banged up in.

Is it the case that Labour will keep sex-based abuse and harassment as non-aggravated and make gender-based aggravated?

If so that is an indication that they a) don't give a shit about women and b) think that transwomen aren't women.

If they will make harassment of women aggravated, I'd say there are some TRAs in for a little shock. All those death and rape threats looking not so easy to shrug off.

Brilliant to see her saying this!

Women are not support animals. We do not exist to validate males, any males, whatever identity they believe themselves to hold; nor are we a resource to be exploited.

Sounds sensible, but this is actually a radical idea.

Society has always relied on women’s unpaid, unnoticed work, including keeping things peaceful — long before we were ordered to ‘Be kind’.

So the current demand for us to supply validation for this particular group of males is just an extension of our routine work in social lubrication. That’s why so many women go along with it.

Interesting to see, now, that women may have been pushed too far.

The answer also isn't, and never was, forcing women to call a male individual a pronoun out of some kind of fucked up version of 'kindness' that only ever goes one way.

'Just be kind' they say, use our chosen pronouns even if you really cannot believe that males can be females and your entire language is prefaced on sex not gender.

'Just be kind' they say, let us into your single sex spaces because that would be a kind thing to do.

'Just be kind' they say, and celebrate a misogynist male who makes women and girls the target for their mockery and is lauded for it but imbeciles who cannot understand the deep seated misogyny of doing so.

It all stems from 'just be kind' while suspending reality to accommodate a male person's needs. Fuck that.

@Helleofabore though I accept that women have the worst of it, this is not just one way. "It all stems from 'just be kind' while suspending reality to accommodate a female person's needs" also applies.

Where 'be kind' is actually a demand with menaces for enablement.

Not co dependent thanks. Or up for being the member of an abusive relationship that always gets the shitty end of the stick. Without even a promise of everlasting rewards in heaven ffs.

Male people are free to have needs.
And I'm free not to meet them.

Yep. But in this case alpha is not a female person extolling women on at least two threads to ‘be kind’ without giving one fuck about the inherent misogyny of a male person telling female people to be kind so that male people can have whatever they demand.

It's also interesting how very often the demand of enable unconditionally 'be kind' towards a female person is actually because that female person is actually indirectly serving the interests of a male person.

And to put it bluntly, female people, however they identify, are not a sexual threat to male people in male spaces. They're not the dominant group, and they tend not to threaten to rape or kill anyone, wave swords or sit wanking in plain sight. It's almost like female people have less power, and tend to treat other people with more care and respect, and it's a sex based thing rather than a linguistic illusion thing.

Women tend to be less violent than men and are inside for theft and fraud, not violent and sexual offences, which makes it possible to have that petting zoo.

A sufficiently dangerous female prisoner can be transferred to the male estate if she cannot be held appropriately in the female estate This option has not yet been needed. Women's prisons are nicer because of the inmates. Some male screws rape female inmates (and IMO men should be barred from working in female prisons because of this), the nick's not nicer because the screws are nicer.

I will not tell lies either.

What problem does it create when it comes to trans women?

Pattern-spotting here: That prisoner was Black. Even if she'd been transferred to hospital, she was four times more likely to die in childbirth than her white counterparts.

@Helleofabore It all stems from 'just be kind' while suspending reality to accommodate a male person's needs. Fuck that.

@Transparent2 "It all stems from 'just be kind' while suspending reality to accommodate a female person's needs" also applies.

What male needs go unmet by refusing to allow a male into a female-only space, prison, sports team, or service? None because hurty gender feelz aren't needs. Needs include physical safety, freedom from being forcibly put at risk of pregnancy through rape, freedom from harassment, and the ability to access a male-free therapeutic space in the aftermath of male violence. Validation of gender identity is not a need. @Helleofabore please try to resist using TRA "needs" language when referring to unreasonable male demands.

I'd add that all male needs and/or wants regarding prison care and conditions can be met without using the female estate or female prisoners as a resource.

There is no male 'right' to use female bodies. Privacy, dignity, safety, trans specific provision, all of it can be provided outside of the female estate without the use of female prisoners.

Trans women may have similar emotional needs to other women even though they are physically male. The question is how to meet these, and ensure their safety and dignity, without putting other women at risk by admitting them to female prisons.

What sort of emotional needs would a transwoman have, that a man doesn't, but a woman does?

I take your point, and again it applies to unreasonable female demands too, though the demands of men are far more damaging. I was using “needs” loosely, but the point I was trying to make was that transmen also think they have a need for their identity as “men” to be recognised, and they think this should be no skin off anyone else’s nose. But denying reality by using wrong sex pronouns is not cost free, especially if the relationship with the transgender person is close.

This is not a problem for women to solve. Women are not here to provide emotional support for men who believe they are women.

Excellent rhetorical question.

Transwomen are not “other women”.
Transwomen are transwomen, biologically and psychologically male.
Any emotional needs transwomen may have will be related to their dysphoria or be derived from their maleness.
That has nothing to do with women.