JKRowling. Prepared to go to prison for women's rights.

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JK Rowling: I’ll happily go to prison for women’s rights

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/32d91356-6d9b-11ee-b5d7-5487922f056f?shareToken=f1594da48d0791b9d9a9e2a6cd8965c2. Hopefully this works for everyone. She really is a Queen.

Me too! Everything I hear about JKR, I love and admire her more.

And yet you are on another thread scolding women for being mean about pronoun use for a clearly misogynistic individual. Or is it the scolding part that you like.

Don’t worry though, telling women to be kind to a person who is mocking them and taking opportunities away from female people by declaring they are one while mocking them is what women and girls have been told since birth to accept. Making sure we use the correct pronoun and the preferred sex category rather than material reality is just business as usual, isn’t it?

I think Joanne Rowling would have many of us in there for the same offense. But it would be a ridiculous indication of the state of law if it would get to that point. It would be a mass awakening on snooze after the alarm.

We need more people like JKR. Wonderful woman.

Try rereading, perhaps a little more slowly.

As for thoughtcrime ... where do I even begin.

Female criminals are treated with kindness and compassion.

Apart from the ones who were locked up with Karen White and sexually assaulted by him.

And remember that JKR lives in Scotland so in her prison cell (unless sharing with menopausal me) could be the likes of Katie Dokatowski, or the peadophile butcher Amy George. That is if women like JKR hadn't protested when Tiffany Scott was put in the Scottish women's prison (there is just one prison up here for women and 'women')

Don’t be diverted by this nonsense about how women have it so much easier and how it’s such a shame English has gendered pronouns. it’s total distraction tactics.

Labour propose stupid policy thinking it puts up a big ‘we are kind and progressive sign’. JKR responds to that stupid policy.

She probably wouldn’t go to prison - not because she’s rich or whatever, but because it’s such an utterly stupid suggestion that any legal representative should be able to drive a bus through the holes in this kind of legislation.

And there’d be massive public support for any women being tried and imprisoned for calling a biological man ‘he’.

In the interests of accuracy, Andrew Miller / Amy George is being treated as a man by the criminal justice system, at his own request, and will be sent to a male prison.

Well, at least initially.

Female criminals are treated with kindness and compassion

no, they’re not. The reason female prisons are less hellish than male prisons isn’t your imaginary “kindness and compassion,” it is the absence of men. The “solution” with transwomen is to keep them out just like all the other men.

Criminal behaviour is an area where sex really matters. Men commit around 99% of sex crimes and the vast majority of violent crime.

Women who are imprisoned tend to be convicted of things like non-payment of fines.

Of course women's prisons are less hellish than men's prisons - that's because women are much, much less likely to be violent than men. Which is precisely why we don't want men - however they identify - in women's prisons.

JKR is a hero - an incredible woman and role model. This just makes me love her even more.

The thing she says should be bloody obvious. How anyone can defend compelled speech is beyond me.

Who/what is making men's prisons such horrid places?

Well that would be the men in them.

The argument that we cannot put delicate flowers like TW in them because men are so nasty, violent, yada yada - needs to read the judgement this week on the bastard that sexually assaulted that little girl he kidnapped and very likely would have killed if she hadn't managed to get help. And look at the severity of the injuries White inflicted on his victims. And then look up Tiffany Scott and Barbie Kardashian. All of these males are as trans as anyone else.

It’s thanks to all the women, and women’s organizations like MBM, FWS, SFN etc , and Jo Rowling pushing back that Miller is in a men’s prison because if we and they hadn’t done so, that vile, cruel man would be in a women’s prison today.
Labour continue to prove that they cannot be trusted with the safeguarding of our children, and our rights.

It's irrelevant who is rich or not , can or can't afford good legal representation. No one should be charged or sent to prison for speaking fact and truth about the sexes .

I'm with JKR . It's a hill I'm prepared to fucking die on !

Having been incarcerated in a women's prison previously, can I just say it's utter bollocks that they're nice fluffy places where there are pillow fights and doing each other's hair and 'looking out for each other' and all that slosh that men fetishise about women's spaces.

The apparent difference between women's and men's prisons is because one has women in it and one has men in it, and the two sexes behave differently. The way they react to someone who has "wronged" them broadly reflects the spread of what sort of crimes they're in for.

Women are less likely to be in for violent crimes and almost never in for sex attacks (rape itself being an impossibility without a penis), so when you put people who are not violent or sex attackers in a building together they tend to continue not being violent and not raping people. Which makes for a better environment (but prison is still shit).

If you put men in women's prisons that changes things, because men in men's prisons are more likely to be violent and/or sex attackers, so the people making men's prisons extra shit are men and they'll make women's prisons shitter if they get in there too.

It's bloody obvious really, it's nothing to do with wearing dresses or pronouns.

Also interesting to look at the core thoughts and beliefs behind the idea that TW should have access to women's prisons because they're (perceived as) nicer, with better facilities.

You can hear the 'it's not fair' and 'they get a petting zoo' (which is an American phrase, never heard here), in the same tone as MRAs talk about 'well you didn't go to war did you' and 'you get to stay home with children and not have to work' and 'you're allowed to cry', very blanket thoughts with little concept of the whole picture, just the grievance.

Envy. Perceived gatekeeping. The anger that women might have something better and if so men have the right to it.

Brilliant summary.

JKR is an utter hero.

I'd go to prison for this too. They can't burn us all. I will not tell lies

@Chersfrozenface Thanks. I wasn't aware of this but have just seen it in the Times. I wonder if this would have been the case a year ago, pre Tiffany....

No like button but this is perfectly expressed.

Here's the thing.

I think she's serious but I also think she's laying down a challenge.

It has been established in law that it is a protected belief to state that men can not become women because it's such a commonly held view and because of biological reality.

So if Labour decide to make a new law that using the wrong pronouns will land you in jail.

Think of the unintended consequences of this.

Imagine you have a 12 year old kid insisting they are trans. Then their parents refuse to use pronouns. The kid reports it to the police. Social services have to get involved and you end up with a pile of kids with parents in jail. Very vulnerable kids. What happens to them?

Or you have the rapist cases. Which I won't go into as it's been covered enough.

Or you have abused kids who are effectively criminalised if they state the truth.

Or wives who are in a relationship and this law is used to coercively control them.

Or you end up criminalising a bunch of doctors.

And above all else, I don't think the law will stand up in court well because it will clash with safeguarding and other rights. And you'll get a monumental cluster fuck which we and JKR can see coming a mile off.

JKR is a) drawing attention to say cluster fuck and b) effectively saying here, right take me to court, I'll lawyer up and it WILL be embarrassing for you Labour cos the publicity will be enormous.

It is a courageous statement and I think she means it and is prepared to martyr herself if necessary.

But it's also well calculated and grounded in the rational that should she be charged and taken to court it will cause 'scenes' and if it does end up with her being martyred and going to prison, the law will look so unjust to so many people, that there will be public pressure on Labour to sort the mess out.

She doesn't lose if she goes to jail. That's the thing.

Anyone with a brain cell in Labour needs to wake up. This woman isn't stupid.

Please, dear Bob, tell me you of all people aren't pulling a "what about da menz"?

Another interesting bit there: the idea that women are treated better and more kindly than men, and that TW should be entitled to that perceived more gentle and privileged treatment.

Bloody women. All the perks, all the time, even in prisons. Poor men, denied all the good stuff.

Female criminals are treated with kindness and compassion

you really are a ‘women live life on easy mode’ incel twerp aren’t you?

read this and weep. I did

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-66339627.amp