Andrew Miller/Amy George thread 2

[ArabellaScott]

'Defence advocate Victoria Dow told the court that Miller "recognises and feels the horror of his conduct" and was said to feel an "enduring sense of shame".
Miller was also said to have expressed concern over how his behaviour would affect the wider trans community.'

https://news.sky.com/story/andrew-miller-jailed-for-20-years-for-abducting-and-sexually-assaulting-girl-in-scottish-borders-12983829

Following on from previous thread.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4737858-girl-abducted-in-galashiels-appears-to-have-been-held-by-transwoman

Adding a few pertinent links.

Please note some of these contain upsetting details of the abduction.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67144375

https://www.judiciary.scot/home/sentences-judgments/sentences-and-opinions/2023/10/18/hma-v-andrew-miller

https://planetradio.co.uk/greatest-hits/borders/news/andrew-miller-melrose-butcher-stain/

Womangender status not mentioned on radio news coverage just now. Made out to be your common or garden nonce.

But remember, the SNP voted for poor misunderstood minoritised rapists to be able to change gender in 3 months.

His 'trans' status was central to his identity for many years, related to his fetishes, and a key factor in the abduction, according to the judge.

'The judge described the abduction as "brazen and chilling".

He added that Miller being dressed as a woman was an aggravating factor as he doubted that the girl would have got into the car if Miller had presented as a man.

He identified as a woman, silly man. He should have identified as a teen and got away with it!!

Miller,* *who was addressed as a male by the court,
^^About time. Hope it continues!

He said he put her in his bed with him because it was a "motherly thing",
^^ I have NEVER put a strange child to bed because they were freezing. NEVER.

As noted on another thread he was addressed as male on his request.

Miller has lived as a transwoman for many years. Openly and vocally.

"At the time of his arrest, he was presenting as Amy George but confirmed he wished to be addressed as Andrew Miller using "he" pronouns for simplicity."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67144375

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4922806-4922806-a-judge-says-the-right-thing-in-scotland

"There is no evidence that predatory and abusive men have ever had to pretend to be anything else to carry out predatory and abusive behaviour."

Shona Robison

From the judgement:

I note that you are recorded by the risk assessor as talking in detail about your desire to limit the impact of your offending on what is referred to as the wider trans community.

Maybe this is why he chose not to adorn his fake woman identity for the trial?

He’s taking one for the team. As in the rules of misogyny, male violence makes men look bad. Trans women’s crimes make trans women look bad. He has as much right to call himself a TW as any other male, though. He’s under the trans umbrella, even if he’s just into cross-dressing, but it seems clear he was an actual TW.

I believe he is remorseful about harming the trans community and that’s why he’s on the he/him pronouns. But he sure as hell isn’t remorseful about harming that poor girl. Otherwise he’d never have made excuses about trying to be ‘motherly’. That is disgusting, insulting, gaslighting garbage.

He’ll let his male persona be guilty of this crime so he can emerge from his grubby cocoon like a beautiful butterfly, ready to make a fresh start as a TW, his past self erased. Hope he rots in hell before that ever happens.

From the judgement, and again, please exercise caution if reading. It's graphic and upsetting.

Judge:

'The mode of abduction itself is also in my view a significantly aggravating feature, if any were needed in such a case, and here to speak plainly I am referring to your female presentation as you invited your victim into your car. One only has to ask oneself the simple question: would an 11 year old girl have willingly entered your car had you presented as a man? The answer is that obviously she would not. Your intentions were wicked and predatory, and clearly involved a substantial component of planning. Indeed, the mode of abduction utilised by you in my opinion entirely supports that proposition when it is seen in the context of your whole conduct in this matter.'

I feel like screaming. What will it take to get the trans lobby/ SNP/ all the helpful idiots who support this agenda to see how dangerous it is?!

' I note that you are recorded by the risk assessor as talking in detail about your desire to limit the impact of your offending on what is referred to as the wider trans community. By way of contrast, however, the assessor reports that, during her discussions with you, you appeared to deflect from the harm your sexual assaults have caused to your victim. You denied that any harm had come to her during her days as your captive, and, while you used the term “inappropriate”, you avoided the use of the word “harm”. You even appeared to place the responsibility for your offending onto your victim.'

There it is. No remorse. Despicable creature.

As people have said before - he's asked to be called a man so he can emerge from prison as a woman with nothing to tie him to his crimes. The Home Secretary should step in and put a stop this nonsense.
Time to call these men what they really are - 'men disguised as women' for nefarious reasons.
to the poor girl.

A friend of mine runs a support charity which has many clients who were long-term prisoners trying to adapt to life on the outside. He told me it's very common for the pedophiles and child abusers to victim blame and have little to no insight into the harm they've inflicted. He doesn't consider them to be rehabilitated and has to take extra safeguarding measures on top of the existing stringent procedures when they're on the premises.

So it doesn't surprise me that this vile deviant has that same attitude.

My thoughts are very much with the girl and her family. A horrific ordeal. I hope she can draw strength from her own initiative and bravery in making her escape.

And my rage is unbounded for those who enabled this, who suggested that 'transwomen' present no risk by virtue of their magical gender identity, and who have attempted to shame the women who have repeatedly warned at the risks to safeguarding.

The legal issues are one part of it, but there are a lot of people who bear responsibility for creating a situation where fetishists and predators are enabled and protected.

Transwomen are men.

I wonder if by seeking to 'limit damage to the wider trans community', he's also trying to get brownie points. After all, they are the most marginalised and vulnerable™️. Not at all like a young girl.

I would say that arguments about GRA and self ID are limited with regards to this case.

It may have an impact on which prison he goes to, of course.

But the wider question, of how women and girls are shamed into ignoring boundaries, questioning their own instinctive responses, and overcoming uneasiness is something we also need to look at.

Crossdressing disorder is a paraphilia. A fetish.

'Transvestism is a form of fetishism (the clothing is the fetish), which is a type of paraphilia in its most extreme forms. In transvestism (cross-dressing), men prefer to wear women’s clothing, or, far less commonly, women prefer to wear men's clothing. This may be because women have a broader range of clothing considered consistent with gender. However, they do not have an inner sense of belonging to the opposite sex or wish to change their sex, as do some people with severe gender dysphoria. However, men who cross-dress may have feelings of gender dysphoria when they are under stress or experience a loss.'

https://www.msdmanuals.com/home/mental-health-disorders/paraphilias-and-paraphilic-disorders/transvestic-disorder

I am aware that even raising this issue risks my comments being targeted for reporting, and this may be deleted.

What does that tell us?

One of the earlier news reports said that he was known in the area for stealing underwear from washing lines, and when the police searched his house for this crime they found a stash of women's and girls' underwear.

This doesn't seem to be unusual amongst men with this paraphilia, on the trans forums there are so many men confessing to stealing clothes and particularly intimate garments from their sisters or mothers. And other men cheering them on.

Is there a way of keeping an eye on which jail he is in? Because if Labour get in I bet there is a move to shift him to the female estate.

@catduckgoose I'm local. Yes, he's been known for stealing women's underwear for years. He was known as 'Tranny Miller' at High School. He's always been an attention seeker. He became increasingly confrontational with customers (of which I was one). Then he began to cross dress at work as well as in local pubs. He lived more fully in his 'alter ego' & closed his butchery business (the sign wasn't painted over Sunday- its very recent). A 'stain on the town' yes, but his behaviour has been escalating for years.

I don't think that the GRC issue matters to a man's ability to dress as a woman to commit a crime.

It does make a massive difference in how it is reported and treated though, if Miller was a legal female, I don't think any reports would be correctly sexing him.

The Labour Party need to explain to me what would happen to a person who committed a crime like Miller's if he had a GRC. Because at the moment i think as a legal female he would be housed in a woman's prison. If I'm wrong about that I'd like to understand the reasoning.

And we need to keep saying this.

By trans activists logic this rapist is a woman. They can’t just pick and choose. One in, all in.

It’s sunlight. It’s useful to show people the pervert’s charter …

The Mail puts it in the headline

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12644139/Paedophile-abducted-abused-girl-27-hours-jailed-20-years.html

It's a very DM article; value of his house, his cars! Some of the details are grim. If they're correct, he had built a hidden room which was accessed through a wardrobe and had a bed. This crime seemed very premeditated.

I hope he rots in jail.

The girl was very brave and clever, I wish her all the best.

Did he fall down the steps in the remand centre, by any chance?