Labour losing women

[Normcore]

Sorry couldn’t think of a good title for this. I have been looking at Twitter and it seems that the Labour Party is throwing a few anonymous crumbs of hope towards Gender Critical women, I mean they can fuck right off with that patronising tactic.

but it did make me wonder whether they are finding that the usual women they use to do the drudge work and leafleting and ground work, aren’t volunteering for duty this time round.

has anyone got a view?
I’m generally a floating voter, but last elections I did a lot of support and donations for the Lib Dem’s I won’t be doing that again any time soon, and the Greens and Labour can also not count on my support.
I might actually try and support KJK if she gets her women’s party off the ground.
so essentially has Labour noticed that they are not only losing the women’s vote, but their money and labour as well.
or are GC people not having an impact?
just interested in opinions and anecdata

Starmer just announced he's sidelining social care provisions. It'll be another desired policy that will be done another day.

I can't think of one positive reason to vote for them (kicking out the Tories isn't enough), and with issues on GI, major reasons not to.

Amazing. I thought I was going to be morally challenged here. But vague aspirations, and the only distinct policies that he hasn't backtracked on being oralcy skills and collective brushing teeth in schools, does not a compelling case make.

If he announced the renationalisation of water, protecting whistleblowers in the NHS, and a proper social care provision, as well as his changes on GRC, I'd have been badly dissonant in arguing against Labour.

But policies to improve oralcy, teeth brushing and laxity on GRCs, hmm, so much easier to say fuck Labour.

I'm a lifelong Labour voter but will vote Tory in the election.

I don't trust Labour to sort out any of the issues you mentioned. They say they will but can't give definitive answers on how they would. We just get waffle and blame. Proof and policies, please.

On top of everything, many of those issues are worldwide. Some are down to the voters in this country believing the Boris Bus. I can't blame them. We all want the NHS sorted but I scoffed at the 'saved' money hitting the NHS anyway.

I was shocked at Sunak's Furlough payments during Covid. We certainly would not have survived without it. I was also shocked at the energy and cost of living payments coming from the Tories. Again, life would have been a lot more difficult for us without it. I wonder if Labour would have supported people like that.

I'm told I come across as a Tory these days when all I want to vote for are the Labour principles my parents and grandparents voted for. I get really annoyed when I hear friends saying they want to vote Labour simply because Sunak is rich (their words!). That's as ridiculous as, oddly enough, the same friends telling me a woman can have a penis.

I was disappointed to hear the Tories are going after benefits claimants (like me) but had also been told by my advisor that Labour would be going down the same route and they've already signalled that they will.

Labour councils and the Welsh government have brought in some ridiculous schemes that have cost a fortune and in the case of the 20mph in Wales have dug in despite the opposition of a considerable amount of people. At least the Tories seem to backtrack on some unpopular policies.

However, when it comes down to it most politicians are untrustworthy so it's a rock and hard place for many where they cast their vote.

@ifIwerenotanandroid this is amazing, this needs to go on every thread where the ploppers appear.
Can I add in, “spoiling your vote is a valid choice”

@Normcore Feel free to add to it & use it as you will. It's already on another thread with 'sex fudge bingo' here:

I wouldn’t be willing to vote for a party that could result in a permanent loss of rights for women (very permanent). I wouldn’t have voted for anti-choice republicans just because I liked everything else they said (I don’t). To me it’s that straight forward.

The inability to define women as a discrete and distinct sex class with its own needs, is a wedge issue for me. I won't vote for a party that doesn't recognise me as part of a distinct sex class.

Labour appointing Iain Anderson completely erases much of what has been said trying to sit on the fence they’ve being doing in the last few months.

My mother was in prison. Have you heard about men being placed in women's prisons?

At the age of 18, I was homeless, and I had to pick between a mixed-sex hostel or a women's single-sex hostel. I picked the women's and I was right to do so, because I later learned that men sexually assaulted women in the mixed-sex hostel

That women's hostel no longer exists, and if anyone tried to re-establish it, the local council would demand it accepted men. I have information on that, because I know how the council has treated organisations seeking funding for women's services.

Would you like to explain how this constitutes having a charmed life? It looks like the opposite to me.

I'm adding

I am a GC feminist but

to the Labour bullshit bingo card.

Yes definite contender

Neighbourhood
I can't even imagine.

I suspect anyone who can dismiss the issues for women and girls in this without seeing or understanding or caring about the impact is the one who's led the 'charmed' and very privileged life.

Or does not think that women matter unless it's women 'like them'.

I cannot vote for a party that is willing to deliberately put women in danger by scrapping same sex spaces.

If people want to wear whatever they want then fine, none of my business. If this causes them to be unsafe around some men why should I have to take the risk of violence for them and allow them into my spaces?

This is not a trivial issue, it's saying that women and girls are so worthless that our safety is less important than male egos and freedoms.

I cannot ever agree to that, how could it ever be acceptable?

Btw you also need the more casual version

I’m as GC as they come but..

We're going to need a bigger bingo card.

I am a GC feminist, and a Labour Partymember, and I’m not going to campaign. Every time I get an email from anyone I’m going to write back and say that the only constituency I’d campaign in would be Rosie Duffields, but it’s 200 miles away.

To not care about abused women, homosexuals, disabled women, women of minority faiths and cultures, women with access needs, children's safeguarding -

it's not really a left political position is it?

In the sense of the actual meaning, history and semantics of the left.

Unless you're deeply cynical and look back at the time when the left political parties cared about these groups and wanted to further inclusion and diversity in the country, and think 'well that was just the bandwagon of the time'. But I do think historically the left political parties held people who genuinely cared passionately and knew what they were talking about, as opposed to being snobs who quite like the identity and feelz of claiming it as an avatar.

I suppose this is why the left make me so very angry. I expect them to know better.

I've let my membership lapse and am not in a hurry to renew it. I'd consider volunteering for a GC candidate but I'm just feeling a bit apathetic about politics as a whole right now.

That so many people I used to admire are willing to lie, waffle or stay silent on an issue that relates to the safety of women and children is pretty demoralising.

I've never liked how tribal politics is and I've always been more curious about the perspectives of people who vote differently from me rather than hating on them. I think understanding why people vote Conservative makes more sense than just telling them they are evil and wrong.

Yup. All the women who loftily say that there are "bigger issues" have very nice backgrounds. The type of background I used to pretend to have, actually.

One of the things I resent about gender ideology is that I am constantly required to dig up my chaotic childhood, in order to explain that lack of single-sex spaces would have impacted me, as it will impact girls like me today.

I wonder if some of this is that the left has, in many ways, been quite successful. At least socially and culturally, the 'left' position is now the accepted one.

People in the sixties, seventies, used to resist a trad, authoritarian, conservative with a small 'c' state. That barely exists now.

The vast majority of the country are more liberal, open minded, tolerant.

If David Cameron/Theresa May represent the 'right' and Tony Blair/Keir Starmer the 'left' then these words like many others seem to me to have lost the meanings they used to hold.

And because the Left thinks it is indivisible from being 'progressive' it feels it has to continue to pursue ever more refined/extreme positions. It has to keep queering itself, self flagellating and 'improving' because to accept absolutely anything as settled is somehow sinful.

Yes I recall feminist theory from university days. We were in good place imo

Great thread. Esp the bingo card. Can you do a pdf we can print out and mark off while scrolling?

I have two theories on this.

1. Labour, party of minorities inc gay lib, were blindsided when Cameron claimed the prize of equal marriage. When Stonewall, suddenly without purpose, adopted trans stuff, Labour did likewise. Although most of us were oblivious at the time.

1. Labour's all women short lists have born fruit. Now parity of male/female Labour MPs. For the inner sanctum it feels like women are riding high. Anyone who disagrees w gender ideology the midst of all those alpha females is a rights hoarding dinosaur.

In the safe seats, the important electorate is the activists voting in the selection process. Not the electorate at large. I wonder whether candidates have to declare their allegiance to genderology to have any hope.

There is an illusion that younger people have, partly as a result of their psychological need to throw off the influence of their parents, but partly also as a result of the wider social fantasy that history is a constant movement towards some sort of ideal end state. The illusion is that of constant progress. A gradual unshackling from regressive norms.

It has long been debunked - compare, for example, the unthroning of the Whig interpretation of history. But it seems to have to be re-debunked by every generation. And unfortunately people only acquire the wisdom and the evidence base for debunking it once they reach unfashionable middle age - the age at which they can be righteously ignored by naive younger people.

The current manifestation of the Whig interpretation of history is that we are all becoming more and more socially progressive in respect of norms around sexuality and self-definition. All I see is a reassertion of male entitlement, which, contra the the fantasy of constant progress, seems to be cyclical -- sometimes partially supressed, sometimes ascendant.

I’ll be voting for my GC Tory candidate.

I don’t trust Labour one bit on women’s rights and safeguarding.