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Normcore · 2023-10-14T23:09:36+00:00

Sorry couldn’t think of a good title for this. I have been looking at Twitter and it seems that the Labour Party is throwing a few anonymous crumbs of hope towards Gender Critical women, I mean they can fuck right off with that patronising tactic. but it did make me wonder whether they are finding that the usual women they use to do the drudge work and leafleting and ground work, aren’t volunteering for duty this time round. has anyone got a view? I’m generally a floating voter, but last elections I did a lot of support and donations for the Lib Dem’s I won’t be doing that again any time soon, and the Greens and Labour can also not count on my support. I might actually try and support KJK if she gets her women’s party off the ground. so essentially has Labour noticed that they are not only losing the women’s vote, but their money and labour as well. or are GC people not having an impact? just interested in opinions and anecdata

ArabellaScott · 17/10/2023 20:11

Erraticclothespeg · 17/10/2023 19:24

Great thread. Esp the bingo card. Can you do a pdf we can print out and mark off while scrolling?

Is a jpeg! You can print off. 🙂

HermioneWeasley · 17/10/2023 20:19

I don’t know what to do. I live in a marginal constituency (between Labour and conservatives) so I’m lucky that my vote counts, but I don’t know who to vote for. The conservatives are completely incompetent, but I don’t trust Labour with women’s rights

RhannionKPSS · 17/10/2023 20:19

Labour are speaking out of both sides of their mouth. By appointing Anderson today , who was the mouthpiece for Stonewall, they have really shown their contempt for women.

ArabellaScott · 17/10/2023 20:21

HermioneWeasley · 17/10/2023 20:19

I don’t know what to do. I live in a marginal constituency (between Labour and conservatives) so I’m lucky that my vote counts, but I don’t know who to vote for. The conservatives are completely incompetent, but I don’t trust Labour with women’s rights

Yes, I have a choice between SNP and Tory, realistically.

Rock/hard place.

JanesLittleGirl · 17/10/2023 21:22

HermioneWeasley · 17/10/2023 20:19

I don’t know what to do. I live in a marginal constituency (between Labour and conservatives) so I’m lucky that my vote counts, but I don’t know who to vote for. The conservatives are completely incompetent, but I don’t trust Labour with women’s rights

My DGD offered me the following advice when I first got the vote:

Listen to what they all say. Ask yourself if you believe that it adds up? Is there a clear and credible difference between the parties? If you can't find a difference that will make life better for you, your family and the country then vote for the party that are the least likely to make things worse.

RealityFan · 17/10/2023 21:28

RhannionKPSS · 17/10/2023 20:19

Labour are speaking out of both sides of their mouth. By appointing Anderson today , who was the mouthpiece for Stonewall, they have really shown their contempt for women.

Today? I thought Anderson has been with Starmer for months?

RhannionKPSS · 17/10/2023 21:57

It was announced today that he has an official role in Labour.

RhannionKPSS · 17/10/2023 22:33

All the mealy mouthed words from Starmer , Jess Philips etc really don’t have any substance at all, just as we suspected. Good luck to the Labour Women’s Declaration to sort this out.

piesforever · 17/10/2023 22:35

They are not losing the women's vote as there are other issues eg education and the NHS!

TooBigForMyBoots · 17/10/2023 22:36

Thelnebriati · 15/10/2023 00:28

I'm sick to death of hearing 'after the Revolution, Sister' from the Left. Women's rights matter, now, and they have no right to hold us to ransom over other issues. The way they talk anyone would think men are the only real humans.

What Revolution? 2023 UK does not have revolutions, we have elections.

JanesLittleGirl · 17/10/2023 22:37

piesforever · 17/10/2023 22:35

They are not losing the women's vote as there are other issues eg education and the NHS!

Cos Labour are going to make education and the NHS so much better.

Froodwithatowel · 17/10/2023 22:39

And women don't need rights (or sex based health care, or wards, or home nursing care) if the NHS and education..... well. There's no more money, is there? So let's face it, it'll be the same as now with some shiny announcements and initiatives. Just without women or homosexuals or children having equality or rights or safeguarding. Or the words to protest, or the ability to do so without being prosecuted for a hate crime.

Sounds fabulous.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 17/10/2023 22:52

@Erraticclothespeg

In the safe seats, the important electorate is the activists voting in the selection process. Not the electorate at large. I wonder whether candidates have to declare their allegiance to genderology to have any hope.

Exactly what's going on.

ArabellaScott · 17/10/2023 22:53

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 17/10/2023 22:52

@Erraticclothespeg

In the safe seats, the important electorate is the activists voting in the selection process. Not the electorate at large. I wonder whether candidates have to declare their allegiance to genderology to have any hope.

Exactly what's going on.

Well, we can see how deeply embedded Stonewall is in Labour and vice versa.

joan12 · 17/10/2023 22:53

piesforever · 17/10/2023 22:35

They are not losing the women's vote as there are other issues eg education and the NHS!

It is an absolutely desperate choice. But the NHS and schools run off the backs of women. I won't sell out sex based rights, just so that we can end up working even harder in public services whilst our very existence is attacked and eroded.

Grammarnut · 18/10/2023 07:59

GoodOldEmmaNess · 17/10/2023 19:45

There is an illusion that younger people have, partly as a result of their psychological need to throw off the influence of their parents, but partly also as a result of the wider social fantasy that history is a constant movement towards some sort of ideal end state. The illusion is that of constant progress. A gradual unshackling from regressive norms.

It has long been debunked - compare, for example, the unthroning of the Whig interpretation of history. But it seems to have to be re-debunked by every generation. And unfortunately people only acquire the wisdom and the evidence base for debunking it once they reach unfashionable middle age - the age at which they can be righteously ignored by naive younger people.

The current manifestation of the Whig interpretation of history is that we are all becoming more and more socially progressive in respect of norms around sexuality and self-definition. All I see is a reassertion of male entitlement, which, contra the the fantasy of constant progress, seems to be cyclical -- sometimes partially supressed, sometimes ascendant.

Exactly this. The Whig view of history, that we constantly progress, has risen its head again. But the kids don't realise this, nor that the ideas currently called 'progressive' are regressive and as old as history.

Grammarnut · 18/10/2023 09:06

JanesLittleGirl · 17/10/2023 22:37

Cos Labour are going to make education and the NHS so much better.

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I hope Labour is not intending to undo the knowledge rich curriculum and the phonics check, which have helped so many children read with ease and understanding. But the NEU doesn't like either of them. Instead of objecting to those why not stop the endless paperwork?

chilling19 · 19/10/2023 08:15

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'One of the things I resent about gender ideology is that I am constantly required to dig up my chaotic childhood, in order to explain that lack of single-sex spaces would have impacted me, as it will impact girls like me today.'

Hard agree.

lifeturnsonadime · 19/10/2023 08:38

Grammarnut · 18/10/2023 09:06

I hope Labour is not intending to undo the knowledge rich curriculum and the phonics check, which have helped so many children read with ease and understanding. But the NEU doesn't like either of them. Instead of objecting to those why not stop the endless paperwork?

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Are you talking about primary school SATS here Grammarnut?

They need revising so they don't make dyslexic children 'failures' in primary school.

Grammarnut · 19/10/2023 15:51

No, not SATs, the phonics check, which has pushed schools to avoid 'whole word' methods of teaching reading which do not work for many, including dyslexic children.