Labour losing women

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Sorry couldn’t think of a good title for this. I have been looking at Twitter and it seems that the Labour Party is throwing a few anonymous crumbs of hope towards Gender Critical women, I mean they can fuck right off with that patronising tactic.

but it did make me wonder whether they are finding that the usual women they use to do the drudge work and leafleting and ground work, aren’t volunteering for duty this time round.

has anyone got a view?
I’m generally a floating voter, but last elections I did a lot of support and donations for the Lib Dem’s I won’t be doing that again any time soon, and the Greens and Labour can also not count on my support.
I might actually try and support KJK if she gets her women’s party off the ground.
so essentially has Labour noticed that they are not only losing the women’s vote, but their money and labour as well.
or are GC people not having an impact?
just interested in opinions and anecdata

I don't get the angst. It's the Tories who are our government that have allowed all this to happen so why is the Labour Party getting the blame? I'm no Starmer supporter but it strikes me those blaming Labour wouldn't have voted for Labour anyway.

My two penn'orth. A few years ago, under Corbyn, Labour was a horrible place to be if you were openly GC. Starmer took a long time to twig that self-ID wasn't a vote-winner. As, to be fair, did most of the political establishment, when the Tories were going to bring in self-ID and universities, schools and half the civil service was operating Stonewall policies -under a Tory government. Now the official LP position now is that sex and gender are different, a woman is an adult female, and that under a Labour govt women will be able to establish single-sex groups.
The Tories are so eye-wateringly awful at present that even if Labour were still gender zealots, I'd reluctantly vote for them. Now that they're not, I'm happy to campaign for them.

I feel for you and yes, Labour has serious issues - anti-Semitism is one of them, and that is, for me, is worse than their stance on GC. But you have to pick the least of two evils, and 13 years of Tory made my life very, very hard and difficult.

Also, I think blaming labour for anything that is happening now is completely unfair. Yes, local government may be corrupt etc but the lack of funding and country wide policies are entirely up to Tory.

I keep on hearing the Vote Labour line of 'look no one cares about women/homosexual/BAME and minority culture exclusion and equality or about child safeguarding, it doesn't matter to normal people'. It really isn't the selling point those speakers seem to think it is.

For those of you saying that the 'trans issue' is just one smallish issue, there are bigger fish to fry, etc, the major respect in which that is false is the willingness to unpick the basic definition of womanhood that is vital to gathering information and researchon a very wide range of economic and social issues that affect women.
All of the wider issues for which women's rights movement were formed - equal pay, eqiual access to the labour market, equal access to positions of economic and social positions of power; equal access to justice (particularly in respect of sex crimes and other forms of gendered violence) require us to be able to gather data on the basis of sex, to organise on the basis of sex, to compose legslation that makes reference to sex, etc.
So it is the large issue of ensuring social and economic equality for 50% of the population, not the (relatively) small issue of fair arbitration of the rights conflict between women (the sex category) and trans-identifed males that would be inhibiting my ability to vote for Labour.

I'm getting on a bit and 'after the revolution sister' has been a Labour mantra for decades. It's only in the last 10 years I've really seen it for what it is and stopped voting for them.😒

Re the drudge work of leafleting etc, I was at the Miners Gala in Durham a few years ago and one of the local Labour (male) bigwigs made a speech (with all of the usual sentimental, backwards-looking celebration of the Labour movements of the past that seems to charcterise the Gala year after year) in which he spoke of all the heroism of the workers, striking, agitating, etc -- and the 'heroism' of their women who supported them with tea, etc.

That was truly how he saw women of the left. Incidental providers of support functions. Even though the female leader of the TUC was sat directly behind him.

The persistence of this dinosaur attitude towards women is one of the few things that I can get hold of to explain trades unionist mens' utter, blind inability to come to the support of gender critical women who are persecuting for seeking the preservation of sex-based rights and defintiions. It is a perfect point of sympathy between the old, corrupt grandees of the north east labour heritage and the new generation of leftist men, who are just as willing to let their own male entitlement blind them to women's reality and equal status - but 'progressively' much less willing to be honest about their male sense of entitlement.

Having been forced, for a brief few years of a flourishing culture of relative equality, to realise that women are actual real individuals - subjects not objects - it seems like men of the left have soothed their wounded narcissism by saying "OK, well if its no longer ok to possess women by confining them, by objectifying them, by viewing them as walking and talking projections of my own desires, then I should be able to claim their subjectivity, their newly acknowledged real personhood, as my own. It's only fair, otherwise I have an uncompensated loss, and they have somethng that I can't take.'

Recognition of women as a sex class underpins EVERYTHING in my life. That is THE MOST IMPORTANT issue I will vote on.

I used to vote left because it would be better for everyone, but after being told that it was patronising for me to thing conservative voting Brexiteers didn't know what they were voting for I will vote for me. And guess what? I'm better off being one man's property (Conservative) that being public property (Labour, Lib Dem, Greens).

Our very existence is being erased and you think that economics are more important? I'm all right, Jack, when it comes to money.

I don't have any faith that Labour will be one whit better than the Tories on the economy and social justice. They've said as much even before the election. And I won't vote for ethnic cleansers. The Labour Party can go to hell.

I once read a woman in the American civil rights movement saying that she was being told that the men in her local group would do the political stuff & the women could make the sandwiches. Her response? "And I thought sitting in the back of the bus went out with Martin Luther King!". It's the phrase that comes up in my mind whenever I see women & women's issues being dismissed.

Funny how the Labour Party is supposed to be for everyone (but isn't for women) while feminism, which is solely for & about women's rights, has been redefined in some circles to be about everybody. The attempted erasure of women & women's rights is obvious.

My Labour bullshit bingo card includes the following (more entries welcome):

• I know a GC woman & she LOVES Keir Starmer & is telling everyone to vote Labour
• most of the public aren't GC
• it doesn't come up on the doorsteps
• it's a side issue
• I'm too clever & sophisticated to base my vote on a single issue
• everything else is more important
• you must be soooo privileged/entitled if you care about women
• first world problems
• it's 0.05% of the population
• why do you care?
• you should be ashamed of yourself
• OH YOU WANT CHILDREN TO STARVE, DO YOU???
• it's all the Tories' fault
• the only important thing is to get the Tories out, don't worry about what happens next
• if you disagree with Labour you must be a rabid Tory
• I've/Keir has/Labour have been very clear about this
• Boris Johnson

Definitely true where I am. Know some lifelong Labour supporters, dedicated doorsteppers and leafleters who've left, some quietly dropping out, some very loudly. I have no idea who to vote for as I work for the NHS and am terrified of what another Tory gvt will do. But can't vote Labour.

I've been spoiling my ballot. I need to be able to vote positively for someone who reflects my values on the issues important to me, and who I trust to represent those interests.

GoodOldEmmaNess
'The persistence of this dinosaur attitude towards women is one of the few things that I can get hold of to explain trades unionist mens' utter, blind inability to come to the support of gender critical women who are persecuting for seeking the preservation of sex-based rights and definitions.'

Yes, I used to be a TU rep and nothing has changed. Back of the bus.

'All of the wider issues for which women's rights movement were formed - equal pay, equal access to the labour market, equal access to positions of economic and social positions of power; equal access to justice (particularly in respect of sex crimes and other forms of gendered violence) require us to be able to gather data on the basis of sex, to organise on the basis of sex, to compose legslation that makes reference to sex, etc.'

Yes, I totally agree. Without sex based data we cannot exist as a population to be considered. Back of the bus again.

Ifiwerenotanandroid

'My Labour bullshit bingo card' is a thing of beauty 👏

Having been forced, for a brief few years of a flourishing culture of relative equality, to realise that women are actual real individuals - subjects not objects - it seems like men of the left have soothed their wounded narcissism by saying "OK, well if its no longer ok to possess women by confining them, by objectifying them, by viewing them as walking and talking projections of my own desires, then I should be able to claim their subjectivity, their newly acknowledged real personhood, as my own. It's only fair, otherwise I have an uncompensated loss, and they have somethng that I can't take.'

Thank you for this bit of insight. 👏 In a world of 'wtaf do they think they're doing', it helps.

Labour have lost my vote. I would not expect a Jewish person to vote for an anti-semitic party "for the greater good", I would not expect a black person to vote for a racist party "for the greater good", and I as a woman will not vote for a party that is cynically prepared to pretend it doesn't know exactly what a woman is in order to fit the prejudices of supporters addled by a US-imported culture war.

"Yes Labour are prepared to throw away women's rights and political voice as collateral damage and yes they are siding with men who are happy to advance their cause using threats of rape and worse, but at least they will make the trains run on time" has not historically played out well.

Doesn't both me much. Will vote labour.

Perhaps people are not volunteering their time because they have to work overtime or two jobs due the the cost of living.

I also live in a Tory safe seat which may or may not swing to the Lib Dems this time round. The Labour candidate - if there is one - won't make a blind bit of difference. The LibDem candidate is a nice guy and works hard as a local Councillor but the LD party is even further up the arse of identity politics than Labour, as well as being in the pocket of puberty blocking pharma.

I'm at the stage where I will trust nothing less than a specific statement that women are ONLY adult human females and a commitment to repeal the GRC.

I'm sick to the teeth of all of this. If Labour can't be trusted to have seen what has happened to vulnerable women and say 'that's enough women's safety is important', then frankly I don't trust them on anything else either.

Women are human, we are not second class citizen's to men which is what a vote for labour is voting for.

We can see from the impact of the GRC that this is ALREADY hard to roll back without adverse effects on women, voting for a party that doesn't care about the impact on women is going to make it even harder.

Funny how the Labour Party is supposed to be for everyone (but isn't for women) while feminism, which is solely for & about women's rights, has been redefined in some circles to be about everybody. The attempted erasure of women & women's rights is obvious.

Labour's slogan:

'For the men. Not the few'.

👆

My constituency is the same. Labour don't bother to show up on the doorstep & don't leaflet during the year (& barely even when there's an election, just one cheaply printed scrap if we're lucky). The choice is Tory or LibDem. And I'm so done with the LibDems.

I've done it all: voted Tory, leafletted endlessly for the LibDems, been a member of the Labour Party (a Corbyn-inspired rush of blood to the head) until their anti-women stance was revealed.

I don't know if it's been done before, but I'm imagining a picture with Keir Starmer (or any of his lot, could be a series) looking at a group of women with the caption 'For the men, not for you'.

I've posted this before but if think that it's worth repeating:

"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party who ignores her sex."

Susan B. Anthony 1872

She was right 151 years ago and is just as right today.