LUSH & “the right side of History”

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LUSH’s Dublin branch (on Henry Street) have decided to effectively announce their support for Hamas despite it being a proscribed organisation in the EU, UK & US. Jaysus.

To just run through some of their greatest hits as discussed on MN:
• in 2012 they ran a hugely sexualised campaign to oppose animal testing
• they foist a guide on “How To Be A Trans Ally” on customers (2018)
• donations from November 2019‘s Charity Pots go to Trans Media Watch (controlling the media narrative doesn’t come cheap)
• the Edinburgh branch announce they wouldn’t serve anyone in a “woman: adult human female” t-shirt (2020)
• facilitating providing binders to children without the knowledge of parents in 2021
• refusing funding to lesbian groups (2021)
• the 2022 “trans kids belong” campaign

Even living in London & despairing utterly of the Met Police as I do I still think their 2018 Spy Cops campaign was cynical, manipulative, & just a marginally more sophisticated way to say “ACAB” rather than a genuine attempt to address the incredibly serious issues that had been uncovered.

”The right side of history” indeed 🤨

That's really depressing - I'd hoped it was an oversight, not a deliberate alliance with evil.

I've never shopped in any of their stores, not out of principle but because the smell made me feel so ill that I had to cross the street to avoid getting it at full concentration - can't imagine what it must be like inside - glad now that they never got any of my cash.

Isis has historical context to justify their actions.
The IRA had historical context to justify thier actions
Boko Haram has contect to justify thier actions.
The Nazis had contect which justfied their actions

When inhumanity and atrocitiesare commited and your respose is, 'well here's some context', you are an exmaple of how the great atrocities of history were allowed to happen.

Now is not a time for context, or history, or both sides it's a time to say This Can Not be Allowed. Ever. Never Again.

Yes the history is complex, but that is not the point now. Now is not a time for Boycott Isreal signs, or a histiry lesson. It's irrleevant. An evil has been commited and 1000s more are going to die now because of it.
Condemn it and the poeplethat did it. No ifs, no buts, no nuance, no well your not perefect either, now is not the time there is no nuance to evil.

If you think there is then you now know how the German people turned a blind eye, because you would have too.
JKR retweeted Bari Weiss and she's right: x.com/bariweiss/status/1711781783933776059?s=20

Fuck me. I remember when shops were just....shops. At what point did it become ok for someone selling us bath bombs to tell us how to think about key political issues of the day.

No one is oliged to provode electricity and water to people who have just raided their homes raped their women, murdered thier children and young people and taken them as hostages and are thratening to kill them.

Only the delusional psychopaths would think you should be obiliged to.

Yes it's a tragedy now for Palestinaian families, it's horrific, but it is on Hamas. They did this to thier own people. they wanted this. They want thier children to to martrys.

So Boycott Isreal signs at a time when Hamas have inflicted this level of atrocity on innocents is just willfull stupidity at best and pure evil at worst.

Oh that's a heart warming story about a kindly Hamas terrorist only muredring the parents in front of the children.

And the babaies are definetly dead, killed in thier cots and baby seats, the body bags are there, 40 was just one scene there are 100s overall. But as long as they weren't beheaded.

It's 'compliactded.'

All of this.

Especially this. I am seething and reeling at the refusal to name evil I am truly, truly sickened by some of the posters on threads on this site about this atrocity.

And this! You are so well expressing all the rage I feel too!

I mean Jesus! People are seriously now at the point of saying, ' well they didn't behead 40 babies, they just murdered them'

What the hell is wrong with these people?!

Some MNers:

https://x.com/leekern13/status/1711922839769784816?s=20

Israel itself refers to cutting off their water and electricity supplies. This isn't about an obligation to provide, but that is inhuman to choose to cut it off, which is what they've done.

This is a so called democracy that has now said they will reduce Gaza to a city of tents. They are every bit as much the terrorists here.

By your logic, you could just add easily say that it's on Israel. That they did this to their own people, through their building of settlements and disgusting behaviour towards the Palestinians for decades.

I don't think that. I don't think there average Israeli family deserves this any more (or less) than the average Palestinian one. Both are victims here. At least though Israeli families can find more places to hide. There is nowhere safe in Gaza and no option to leave.

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I’m tired of all the whataboutery. Why can’t we just be appalled, just for a moment, at the evil being perpetrated in Israel, without all the “what about dead Palestinians?” People really need to ask themselves why they do that.

And when there are rallies on the streets of western countries chanting 'Gas the Jews' days after the worst atrocity against them since the holocaust.
Maybe, just maybe?? 'Boycott Isreal' signs are insidious antisemitsm, or very very very ill advised, as if it's not it certainly looks like it.

My faith in humanity is shot.

And the babaies are definetly dead, killed in thier cots and baby seats, the body bags are there, 40 was just one scene there are 100s overall. But as long as they weren't beheaded.

that was exactly my point. I said that even if they weren’t beheaded some babies were still killed. I totally agree that when babies are being killed the details are rather irrelevant. So regardless of whether that detail is true it’s horrific.

yeah it's not like Iran has done anything of concern!!

I am an optimist enough to think Lush's version of male supremacy won't ultimately prevail and they will be judged as they should be.

To kill babies and children you must really have lost every last shred of your humanity.

"By your logic, you could just add easily say that it's on Israel."

No you couldn't.

If you don't see how this atrocity is fundementally diffrent and evil and stands alone in needing to condemned, then you are capable of justfying anything.
And you are doing.

Of course it needs to be condemned. It has been condemned, and it will continue to be condemned. Rightly so.

Revenge does not give a green light for war crimes.

It is perfectly possibly to condemn horrific terrorist actions, AND horrific actions by a government, both of which are deliberate in their intent to cause death and suffering.

I am just as concerned for Palestinians, but it's the evil of Hamas we need to focus on now. Not Boycotting Isreal.

I was a memeber of the PSC, I've been on marches, I have a Palestinain flag, I've lobbied my MP for Palestine, I have a long history with Palestine which I won't go into here. But any person who does not see this as the evil atrocity it is and reverts to the 'history' and 'context' has lost their humanity.

When you just argue your tribes talking points instead of naming thier inhumanity you are an exmaple of how atrocities happen.
I can't state that enough because I don't see how people can't see it.

This is how atrocities are justified. What you are doing here.
This is how it happens.
You are how it happens.

There is a moral difference between taking action to protect your family and sacrificing your family as collatoral to your cause.

If you can't see the moral diffrenec. God help you.

I am just as concerned for Palestinians, but it's the evil of Hamas we need to focus on now. Not Boycotting Isreal.

Fine. Shall we schedule in a point in the future to become outraged at the siege situation and flattening of an open air prison containing large numbers of children?

It might be a bit late then.

You continue to be only outraged at atrocities committed by only one side if you wish.

The victims here are both the Palestinian and the Israeli civilians. I don't understand people on this thread justifying Palestinian people having water and medical supplies cut off because of the atrocities that Hamas have carried out. Palestinian civilians are not responsible for the actions of Hamas, and Hamas will not be deterred by their deaths.
I have family from Palestine, I know the horrors they have lived through. Their lives are not worth less than the lives of Israelis.

I didn't mean you @Jellycats4life!!
Sorry! Just realsied it looks like I'm talking to you!

I was using You menaing anyone who sees evil and then says well you do have understand...sometimes other people do bad things too. Those people.

I think being outraged about dead and dying Palestinian kids and civilians now is a very good time to be so. Waiting till next week could be too late. It’s happening now, literally while I’m typing.

of course I can be outraged at atrocities against two groups at the same time. I don’t have a limited capacity for that. I’m perfectly capable of worrying about more than one thing at once.

The tragedy about to be inflictde on the Palestinain people is because of Hamas.

They knew this, they want it, they are sacrifucing thier own people. they are evil.

Hamas are the elected govenement of Gaza they have not been imposed on them. They chose them. I'm sure many regret it now they see how eveil they are.

But Isreal and not nations would be expetde to tolerate this kind of terrosrim on thier boredr. No one.

And if you murder my baby I won't give you stuff you need anymore seems a pretty obvious response. Even saintly pacifists wouldn't do that. And the Isrealis areb't that and Hamas know that. They want thier people to suffer.

We shall have to leave this as an agree to disagree.

I need to cook dinner. Something that won't be happening in many Gaza homes tonight.

We shall not agree on this.
Wishing some calming and peace on the situation on both sides.

Lush senior management are the biggest bunch of idiots I ever had to tolerate in the workplace, so I doubt they'll have a grip on this incident. I was there for nearly a decade and their inability to be professional never ceased to amaze me. When I was there they paid little attention to what happened on the shop floor, ours peaked at coke and theft in the staff room (not me) and nothing changed. It annoys me tbh as so many of the products are excellent.