Dismissed by supposed ally husband

[BewilderedPiskie]

I thought my husband was truly listening and understanding my concerns about TRA rhetoric and it's political and social impact but now with an election looming he has told me repeatedly that I NEED to vote Labour as "the trans thing" is a non-issue and women are not under threat. Essentially he has now made it clear that he does not believe there is a problem and I am just being swayed by 'online' noise. I find this utterly repellent. I have spent 4 years listening to and reading both online and imprint. His out of hand dismissal of everything I have looked at, read and researched makes me realise how absolutely misogynistic ordinary and supposedly supportive men can be. I'm menopausal and my memory is terrible. I know that I have been made increasingly worried by a huge number of well researched and documented articles, online pieces, books and podcasts; please could you send me links that have the key GC arguments and that demonstrate why Labour is particularly problematic for women's concerns. I feel utterly betrayed.

There is fucking nothing left of disability benefits to crack down on! Bunch of privileged wankers.

https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/anger-after-reeves-tells-benefit-claimants-labour-is-not-for-you/

Holy moly, that's cold.

I've voted Lib Dem in almost every general election since I was old enough to vote.

Labour stand absolutely no chance in my constituency, so the only chance of getting the Tories out, however remote, is to vote Lib Dem.

For context, my constituency has been represented by a Tory MP since it was created over 40 years ago, and the current Tory MP is actually a distant cousin of the previous Tory MP. But in the last election before our previous MP stood down, she came within 1,000 votes of being unseated by the Lib Dem candidate.

So, in my constituency, a vote for anyone except the Lib Dems helps the Tories hold the seat.

The Lib Dems have explicitly said, "Don't vote for us if you don't agree that trans women are women."

What is a gender critical feminist to do?

Reeves said: “We don’t want to be seen, and we’re not, [as] the party to represent those who are out of work.”She added: “Labour are a party of working people, formed for and by working people.”
So Labour isn't for women, or the disabled, or the pensioners, or those who are redundant (like the Wilko workers), or those who can't find a job that isn't zero hours, or those who are carers.

So who are Labour for? House builders?

House building could be tricky given the ridiculous shortage of skilled labour in the country. Maybe I missed the plan for that minor detail?

This poster isn't using 'Tory' to mean 'person who votes Tory'. They are using it as a label, a term of abuse. It doesn't matter how you vote, or even if you're a member of whatever leftish political party, this person is using 'Tory' as the equivalent of 'heretic/heathen/evil'.

This is what tribalism does to an argument.

@ginasevern I agree. What people need to consider is the rise in these issues that everyone is so concerned about, happened under a Tory government. Do GC people really believe anything will change if they are re-elected? Of course it won’t, it will progress no matter what party is in power. The Tories know exactly what they’re doing and attracted a large amount of voters with their statements, that they have zero intention of following through on.

So why don't Labour take the wind out of their sails by showing that they understand what a woman is, they have listened to our concerns and understood them, and they promise to safeguard women and children's rights?

It would be so easy.

Why don't they?

Women represent 51% of the electorate, why don't they just ignore the pronoun people?

@Moro93

I agree with everything you say. People who vote tory and think it is some hallowed road to sorting trans issues (whilst ignoring all the other major social issues) are seriously deluded. The tories will shift stance in the blinking of an eye when it suits. The issues will, given time, sort themselves out no matter what government is in power. This is all new and only affects a tiny minority. It has been used to deflect to distract. I can't believe that normally rational people can't see this.

A thought.

It's not just "one issue". It's a state of mind. An attitude towards the whole world which categorises a whole sex as unimportant. Jess Phillips may be able to deal with the cognitive dissonance between reading out lists of women's names in Parliament and not taking a clear stand on sex based rights. Others may do this as well. But they only do this because women's sex based rights do not obtrude sufficiently on their consciouness for them to see the enormity of what they are saying. Or maybe they do see that enormity, but choose to ignore it.

I, too, have voted Liberal and then Lib dem since I could vote. But the collective rationality failure in that party (tbh they've always had an oddball fringe, but now it's in the driving seat) now makes it impossible to vote for them - I voted for them because they stood for a genuine liberalism which respected people, and I agreed on their model of politics. I wanted to keep those ideas alive, because I didn't see them in the other parties. That condition no longer obtains!

I have voted Labour in local elections in the past in particular situations where their candidate was clearly the best.

I have never voted Tory. It would be hard to do, but I will do so if Labour doesn't stop bludgeoning women, or show that it is serious about bringing people together to discuss their differences in a civilised fashion. The party has always been authoritarian, which is why I have never been a regular Labour voter. But it's current incarnation is vicious. It runs on sneering and casual contempt for the "out" group, which is not a feature I want to see in a party governing this country. I want to see the Rosie Duffields in the party treated with proper respect.

.This is all new and only affects a tiny minority.

redefining an entire category of people ie women so that woman no longer means “adult human female” but instead means “adult human female and men with lady feelings” affects 51% of the population not a tiny minority

at a stroke any and all single sex spaces disappear

The issues will, given time, sort themselves out

What, all by themselves, without anyone taking any action? How?

Yes.

Women's rights are important to me.

So are: freedom of speech, thought, belief and expression; rationality; evidence based medecine; children being taught basic science over extreme irrational ideology; politics that is based on collegiate mutual efforts, rather than tribalism; respect for diverse views; tolerance; honesty; common sense; pragmatism; compassion.

Not necessarily in that order.

I can't believe that any rational person can't see that it doesn't just affect a tiny minority, it affects over half the population.

If it didn't affect us, no one would care.

how is 50% of the population a tiny minority?

is there a party which actually follows science at the moment? Greens don't, lib dem don't, Labour don't.all because it gets in the way of their male supremacy.