NHS nurse on my facebook just changed her profile picture to this

[welcometothepartyyy]

Inappropriate, much?

She hasn’t said she would treat anyone differently so your point is moot. It says share as in, be in the next bed, fgs.

Christ. Don’t they teach comprehension skills in schools anymore?

It's not a professional issue. Nurses can be patients too.

She's not saying she sees Tories as lesser humans. They are just people she would rather not have in the same ward if she were a hospital patient. We all have people we would put into that category.

My question was to ask if those who believe that this falls comfortably within a nurses freedom to speak would put up such a vigorous defense if the terms, trans people and Tory were reversed?

I don't think any of those posters answered the question. Personally, I think both declarations should be freely expressed.

Somehow you have chastised my opinion and then regurgitated it.

Would you send a TQ+ person to be treated by a nurse who in their own time declared that they would rather have to be in a space with a straight person than a TQ+ person? And be happy that oh it doesn't matter because the nurse might be so confident in her prejudice that she boasts about it on social media, but when face to face with the person she'll manage to find some professionality and treat them?

It's the same thing.

Not to mention that the point is sailing over this woman's head that she does not understand or care about women patients' privacy, dignity, autonomy, consent, safety, protected characteristics, vulnerabilities and feelings: she prioritises men, and any woman who doesn't is probably Tory. (And she is openly prejudiced against them too.)

Women are not saying they do not wish to share a space with a TQ+ person of either sex which is the attitude she is presenting with no understanding of the actual issues - some women cannot and many women do not wish to share a space with MALE people when undressed and vulnerable. How the male person identifies does not remove the problem and equality of access for them.

She hasn't said anything about who she would or would not treat, so this is totally irrelevant.

How people are managing to make this ok and identify as not seeing the problem I really don't know.

I do know if she wasn't using women and to Tories to show her prejudice those defending it would be furious. I really don't understand how we've gone from 'equality for all' to 'equality to me and my mates and it's fine to pick on them'. But I find it bloody tragic, I really do.

Maybe re-read my post, in which I explain that I am very GC, yet support the idiot nurse’s right to free speech?

And yes, I absolutely would defend someone whose party political beliefs I disagree with too. Do you really find that so hard to believe?

GC is my strongest held personal belief but without freedom of speech, all other freedoms fall away.

No, I don't find it hard to believe that someone could believe that but I will admit to assuming the answer was effectively, not many.

In a professional position you do have limits on your freedom of speech however. You have a duty of impartiality in public service and when you are speaking as a known member of an organisation, and there's often a policy on this. Teachers can't drive around with a car covered in UKIP stickers and not expect it to raise questions about racism and prejudice. Goodness knows any woman going to work wearing an Adult Human T shirt would very quickly be told it was unhelpful and likely to impact on impartiality and relationships with service users.

When my DD worked in the NHS she would tell me that most of the staff she came across absolutely hate the Tories.

We once needed an Ambulance whilst at a restaurant, after MiL was patched up, the crew went of duty, a few people offered to by them drinks and meal, they refused saying they weren't allowed to accept gifts... but then said "if you want to help us, please don't vote Tory"

Reporting this nurse, wont change her opinions, what it might do is hurry along her decision to quit nursing.

why can't people just let others have an opinion instead of trying to control them into "rightspeak"

FWR constantly gets posters accusing us of all being Tories, for criticising Labour on trans issues. Now, apparently we’re all Tory-haters.

Maybe re-read my post, in which I explain that I am very GC, yet support the idiot nurse’s right to free speech?

Do you? you don't think calling her an idiot is an attack on her freedom of speech?
You don't even know her or what she does or what she might go onto do... yet she is an idiot for voicing her opinion.

HCPs have a duty to be impartial at work. There is no such duty outside work.

There are several MPs who are still practising doctors.

Goodness knows any woman going to work wearing an Adult Human T shirt would very quickly be told it was unhelpful and likely to impact on impartiality and relationships with service users.

If the woman’s workplace included rainbow lanyards and pride flags then she would have a strong case for discrimination on the basis of belief.

No, calling her an idiot is not an attack on her freedom of speech. HTH.

Of course calling someone an idiot is included within any reasonable understanding of freedom of speech. Obviously more can be achieved when you concentrate on the content and not the speaker but that's not a restrictive bar, as the nurse's post demonstrates.

Someone up post asked if we would refuse treatment from a paediatrician on the basis that they transed their child. I would absolutely ask for a different clinician if I was presented with one who had so little understanding of evidenced based medicine that they gave their child puberty blockers. I would definitely walk out of the office of a CAMHS psychologist if they had or asked my child what their pronouns were. Just as I would if they suggested I treat them with chakra realignment, or asked what their spirit animal was.

So based on this anything centre left to left = anti women . Okaaay! It’s a brave move cotton!

Given that GC feminists freminists ridicule non-GC feminists for somehow lacking critical thinking, this thread is hilarious!!! 😂🙄

The sheer confusion over ‘sharing a ward with’ and ‘treating patients’.

And the debate over whether this nurse should be reported, and the desire expressed by some that she should be sacked for expressing an opinion that is…

The hypocrisy (and woolly thinking) is very entertaining this morning. Thank you!

It's a political message. Thus it is innappropriate if it is known she is a nurse working for the NHS. As a woman I would rather share a ward with a Tory than a transwoman - less chance of assault, and there won't be anyone lying and telling me there are only women on the ward.

Of course it is, you are basically telling her to shut up & some folk called an idiot might well do just that, effectively shutting them down.... do call people idiots at work?

No, i doubt you do.

Like i said, you don't even know her.

Does she know the first openly trans MP is a Tory!??

Does she know that Rosie Duffield and jess Philips both spoke in favour of clarifying the Equality Act at the parliamentary debates? In favour of protecting same sex spaces for women?

If she lists her profession and employer on social media fine, you have a point, but it might just be her personal social media account and the OP happens to know she’s a nurse

God you're absolutely right. I'm so sorry. She has almost certainly sensed through the ether or been told by a carrier pigeon that, somewhere on the internet, somebody she has never met is calling her an idiot and it's very probably shutting her down. How clever of you to see that.

Also how clever of you to see that calling someone you don't know an idiot when they can't hear you and will never know is exactly like calling a colleague an idiot to their face. I'm really grateful for your insights.