NHS nurse on my facebook just changed her profile picture to this

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Inappropriate, much?

What if the trans person was a Tory - Jamie Wallis MP for example?

It's very tribal, and shows an alarming lack of discretion for a so called professional. But what was the purpose of this post OP?

You are not going to report (which I agree it's not a serious enough statement to be worth reporting)

So what is the point? I really do not want us to get to the point as a society that we have to be careful who hears us criticising the government in case we get reported.

I mean if it included threat of some kind, or was targeted at a specific identity group (no, I'm not sure 'Tories' fit this category) that might be a different matter.

That said, it is getting close to that line!

Still, I would have this post removed if the extea details you've given are true and correct.

Funny. I do work, but I don't have an important job as a medical professional making sofas, obviously.

The poster has already responded that it didn’t happen (apologies edit - rather ‘if it happened’), despite the rape having been reported to the police and the trust finally admitting over a year later that the policy is to place women and transwoman together on women’s wards.

Very few people are likely to say anything even if they’re extremely uncomfortable, let alone make a formal complaint. And if they make a very valid complaint, which the woman, who was raped will have done, it simply was dismissed. And it would appear not recorded.

This ‘study’ isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.

Thats an interesting article from Pink News. I'll have a closer look at the study but it would be quite something if an actual study found no problems considering the number of high profile cases there have been.

Oh I see the study was carried out by a group who campaign for trans women to be included in women's wards.

Aren't nurses supposed to care for people regardless of their political views, religion etc? How would a conservative patient feel knowing their nurse resented treating them?

A nurse I’m with friends with shared that article by pink news. I’m finding it all very exhausting.

Well done to that nurse!
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/oct/05/record-rise-hate-crimes-transgender-people-reported-england-and-wales
This toxic hatred of minorities has got to stop! And the conservatives need to learn that hating on trans people, immigrants and being climate change deniers is the desperate last gasps of a party set out to divide and destroy rather than being together and improve.

I agree.

I know sm policies exist for public sector, but I domt think anyone should be reported for expressing an opinion. She might just really hate tories and following this evil conference who can blame her? To be honest I disagree with control of what nurses (and teachers) post on sm. We don't pay them enough to own them 24/7.

To clarify (since this is trending) I am gender critical and think if wards are sex segregated that means transwomen are not in a ward with women. That's not 'excluding trans people' it's appropriate sex segregation when people are vulnerable.

But these are the made up crimes like posting twam on twitter not actually hate crimes. We know the police ignore vawg and for some reason do the bidding of even criminal tw. It is not hate for tra to make rape and death threats online but it is for women to state facts!

She's transitioning her daughter - she'll be going all out everywhere to shout about it and this is just a small part of it.

You realise that a ‘hate crime’ to some trans people includes stating that sex cannot be changed and trying to protect women’s spaces.

Actual LOL at the idea that medical professionals aren’t allowed to be sarcastic on social media.

I just find the statement in the image really weird on so many levels.

Firstly the use of the words "trans person" as if there's just as much distress about sharing a room with a transman as a transwoman and for the same reasons.

A transman is biologically female and is not a threat in terms of risk of sexual violence. Of course among all the women who get hospitalised there will be some who are unpleasnt to be with but a transman has no greater or lesser probability of being any kind of problem so it would be irrational to care. They may be somewhat masculine in appearance of they have been taking testosterone but they are still fine in a female single sex room.

A transwoman is biologically male and is should not be considered to be any less of a threat than any other unknown male - obviously the vast majority of men are totally lovely people who would never do any harm and I am sure the same is true of transwomen but we have no way of knowning on-sight who is in the "safe" majority and who is dangerous to be with and it's stupid to be in a vulnerable state with any unknown man when you can't tell which category they are in.

So there is a rational logic for disputing the safety of a woman being expected to share with a transwoman.

There is absolutely no rational logic to dispute the safety of anyone sharing with a tory. They may be totally unable to grasp that the poor and disabled are not poor and disabled out of their own choice or moral defect, and have a totally unrealistic idea of what someone ought to be able to achieve if they just put in a bit of effort, but that doesn't make them a threat.

It's just a totally weird sentiment which seems to imply that anyone saying "I don't feel safe sharing a room with xxxx" is exactly the same as saying "I hate and despise xxxx" which shows such startling lack of intelligence and empathy that it suggests they cannot be a very good nurse.

It’s entirely necessary that the NHS considers the logistics of providing healthcare for trans people, whether we’ve got a Tory or Labour government in charge. There’s no hate crime there.

I totally agree with her sentiment.

A nurse who is kind and compassionate may not have seen those attributes in the Tory party - like ever.

And why is a nurse not allowed to express their views?

FFS - maybe try getting off yer high horse and get a grip.

her sentiment being the nurses' sentiment!

Stupid people post stupid shit all day long on Facebook.

This image is stupid because it implies that all trans people vote exactly the same way. Stupid and lazy, like the assumption (largely by those on the left who consider themselves progressive) that poor people, black people, Jewish people etc always vote Labour. Arrogant presumptions like this helped result in Brexit and Trump getting in. And they still don't get it.

I'm fearful of medical environments, and seeing how little healthcare staff understand basic biology, or respect women's dignity is not helpful.

This.

It's pure hypocrisy as the posters on here have been really upset when people have been reported to their employers or been otherwise targeted in some other way because of their GC views.

Noone is saying nurses can’t have political opinion. The issue is she is massively breaching NHS media policy which is based on all patients having the right to receive equal care no matter their characteristics/beliefs/traits. The NHS is a service to all and this does not represent that service in fact it degrades it and is derogatory to patients. What she said isn’t even political option it’s bordering on hate speech. Yes personally of course she is entitled to her opinion but as a nurse she has professional standards to uphold and yes if she’s posting nurse relating things publicly she should be upholding those standards and knows this.

The thing about freedom of speech is that it applies even when you disagree with someone - otherwise it isn’t freedom of speech: it’s freedom to agree only.

I’m very GC and I’m Left of centre. Can you not conceive of someone supporting freedom of speech, even if they disagree with what’s said? How depressing.

And how depressing to read this thread on FWR - where we have supported so many GC women whose lives were ruined because they expressed GC views in public. We have fought for their right to express their beliefs. Yet some of us want to use the same, despicable tactics of the TRAs on other women, just because we disagree with them.

@Mamma2017

Yeah right.

Which NHS media policy is that? Have you got a reference?

What a load of bs

It's stupidly unprofessional. No one with a duty of impartial public service can go around putting up stuff in their own name declaring the parts of the general public that they see as lesser humans.

If she'd put up 'I'd rather share a ward with a disabled person than a black person' everyone would throw a fit. This bull happens because silly people have been drawn into the snobbery of 'it's ok to be prejudiced and behave in ways I'd usually lecture everyone about and signal myself as above, because it's only those kind of people. (Who are not like me and don't matter. I am much better than them.)' Which is the exact same argument used by the Nazis, colonialist destroyers of indigenous peoples, and by the slave owners of the American South.

Ffs, being a bloody Labour voter does not confer sainthood.