Would you vote Tory if Kemi Badenoch was Tory the party leader and the election was tomorrow?

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Just curious to see what the answers here might be.
Would you vote Tory if Kemi Badenoch was the Tory party leader and the election was tomorrow?
Feel free to answer any way you like, and I don't care about derailing. The question is quite tongue in cheek, don't take it too seriously, and have fun with it if you want, rant if you want. I'm trying to get a picture of the MN mood.

All kinds of fucked up like covering for and promoting sex offenders, allowing them to abuse and rape with impunity in their own party?

That kind of fucked up @Rudderneck ?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12711069/Tory-Party-covered-serial-rapist-MP-official-claims.html

Which science fiction book gave you this fever dream? Or was it GB News and the Express?

There must be something in the water at Con headquarters. Loopier by the day.

The Labour led Welsh Senedd and the Labour voting record in the Scottish Parliament.

what fever dream suggested to you that they won’t? The Guardian?

They inherited the deficit from Labour remember. So they are hardly the worst. Not saying they're great, clearly they are not. But it does not help to make up reasons when there are many real reasons not to.

I will hold my nose and vote for the current government because if we loose rights we will never get them back. Labour will take all women backward, much further backward than anything the Tories will do - wealthy or poor. But the poorest will suffer the most as always. Middle class virtue signalling Labour supporters won't have to share a prison cell with a male bodied person, nor battered women's refuges (as middle class women more likely to have friends with spare rooms).

If Kemi was in charge then I would vote very happily for the Tories.

I am a floating voter and have voted often for Labour but I will not do so until the current crop are gone with their 99% comments. And they clearly have not properly dealt with the antisemitism problem. So many front benchers backed Corbyn - it is unbelieveable.

The most capable Labour MP is Wes Streeting but he is a bit of a weather vane and did seem to be very keen on gender ideologies though he has rowed back a bit and apologised to Rosie Duffield. Whilst that is great, I still don't quite trust him. I would like to vote Labour again one day and he is someone who I might have voted for till his capturing by Stonewall ideas. Rather a shame.

What have the Tories done that makes you think they will protect women's rights?

section 35

big upvote from me

Christina you’re already losing rights under this government. Don’t be naive. Women have to retire later and the deterioration of the nhs and social services have meant more women are expected to step in and care for both children and parents, while working full time, as heaven forbid we’re not “economically active”. And the underfunding of the nhs has lead to terrible maternity services, women’s medical issues are underfunded and under supported and the police have an all time low trust level in regards to women. More men get away with violent crime against women and rape. Don’t be blinded by a very niche issue that is being addressed and will continue to be as you’re literally a frog in a pot of water who hasn’t noticed the temperature has reached boiling point.

also don’t doubt for a second that antisemitism, islamophobia and sexism are the bedrock of the tories however much they use black and brown people as their mouthpieces.

How will Labour improve the NHS? Social services? Number of women raping women with their penis? Why has the NHS and Social Services got even worse in Wales under Labour, or Scotland (with their higher taxes) under the SNP, than in England under the Tories? The NHS is still paying off debt from Labour’s PFI

I am a centrist (in relation the UK political positions). I believe governance benefits from regular change of those in power and the Tories are tired and could do with a spell out of power. I wanted to be able to vote Labour but if they lie about something as fundamental as claiming we can ‘change’ sex, then I cannot trust them to look after women’s rights, or anything else.

They have less money to spend on things like the NHS because the tories fund labour and non conservative areas worse than their own areas, so the voters say just what you’ve said and are more likely to vote for the tories next time. England is awful under the tories, don’t think the grass is greener here.

do you remember when the tories implemented austerity measures to try to reduce the public debit and cut all public services, arts council, nhs, social services to the bone? Well how did that turn out? They’ve added to the debt significantly without adding any value for ordinary people. At least when labour created debt we all benefited. The tories rich mates are doing better than ever though!

There is no one labour spokes person offering one and only one point of policy and view on that though. The tories are chasing popular opinion within their voter base (typically older people) and would do a full 180 tomorrow if they thought it would bring them more votes. But if you’re a single issue voter colouring the pages to suit your narrative, by all means keep going with that one as you are.

Scotland is better funded per head than England due to the Barnett formula and also pays higher taxes, so no they do not have less funding than England. And the NHS and Education is worse here by objective measures not anecdote.

@SaffronSpice
Wales too gets more money per head of population than England again because of the Barnett formula.

There is no one labour spokes person offering one and only one point of policy and view on that though.

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No.

I am anti gender-woo but you’d have to be a real single-issue-voter to let it decide your vote. The general tide of opinion is moving against gender woo anyway, so the Labour position is also moving in the direction of sanity.

And yet the Labour leader states 1 in 1000 women have a penis and criticises one of his own MPs for saying only women can have a cervix.

That doesn't inspire me to vote for him.

He'll get there. He's a pragmatist and not especially left wing by inclination.

Sorry but I really, really cannot imagine voting for the current party in power based on this one issue.

Get a life.

And yet this is what he says.

Sorry I am not going to vote for someone who might 'get.there'.

He needs to say now (belatedly)) a woman is a woman, no one else in her toilets, changing rooms, prisons, hospitals, regufes, etc.

If he did say that - and mean it - he'd storm it at the next election.

Will he? Probably not. His judgment is rubbish.

Told us to vote Corbyn for PM not once but twice!

If he did say that - and mean it - he'd storm it at the next election

Conveniently ignoring all the recent evidence that suggests gender issues are of no consequence whatsoever to 99% of the UK electorate.

If he did say that - and mean it - he'd storm it at the next election.

He's going to win anyway, by the looks of the poll.

I think shifting position on the GC issue would increase his poll lead a bit, but outside of the Mumsnet feminism forum, this is just not a massive day-to-day issue for enough people for it to make a huge difference. There are very very few people whose vote is going to be decided by this issue about all others.

Well I do have trust in the great British public (or at least English public given the Scots voted for the SNP) they will NOT vote for a destruction of women's rights.

When the media/press spotlight is turned full blast on current labour policies in this area one of two things will happen either they'll change them or they'll lose.

Don't mind which.

Any alternative is unthinkable.

It really isn't. It's not that big a deal. The Tories have done FAR more to damage women's rights than GRC ever could!