Would you vote Tory if Kemi Badenoch was Tory the party leader and the election was tomorrow?

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Just curious to see what the answers here might be.
Would you vote Tory if Kemi Badenoch was the Tory party leader and the election was tomorrow?
Feel free to answer any way you like, and I don't care about derailing. The question is quite tongue in cheek, don't take it too seriously, and have fun with it if you want, rant if you want. I'm trying to get a picture of the MN mood.

At least in England there are no men with intact genitals and/or sexual or violent crimes (which is pretty much all of them) in women's prisons now. And the rough sex defence has been removed. And we're not about to all be arrested for saying a truth men don't want to hear and divert huge amounts of expensive resources to ego soothing as opposed to managing actual crime. Just to name a few.

When did they take all the men out of women's prisons @Froodwithatowel?

@Rudderneck, not true, Labour can’t do anything differently. Those with a lot of assets are continuing to benefit hugely from austerity, quantitative easing, inflated housing market and covid during last 15 years. Also the financial sector still have a lot of reliefs that advantage them such as private equity. Changes could be made so not only wage earners shoulder proportionally a larger share of government spending on vital services.

@Alstro

I'm sympathetic to the idea of some of the tax burden falling onto wealth holders rather than wage earners, particularly as the value of assets has been greatly inflated by recent policies and events.

The trouble is that any sort of asset based taxation tends to be hugely unpopular, particularly if it is a new tax that never existed before. They tried a wealth tax in France, and it was widely hated.

We might, however, be able to do something about the way National Insurance means wage earners pay a higher rate of tax than people earning income from investments, property etc. Consolidating income tax and NI into a single tax paid by on all income might be a possibility.

There is no sign, however, that Labour is considering anything so radical.

There is no sign, however, that Labour is considering anything so radical.

AlphaTranswoman, sadly, I agree, although they may surprise us.

Wealth tax not only possibility. Was reading various tax reliefs could be changed such as ensuring private equity firms are taxed on certain receipts as income rather than capital gains which is a lower rate. Labour have said they will probably do this at least.

I saw someone suggest the following too:

“A national property tax is ultimately what Labour should be pushing for. Unlike most wealth taxes there's lots of precedent for these working, it would be simpler to administer and more progressive than council tax, and could even encourage empty nesters to downsize quicker (or take on lodgers) so freeing up housing units. Rudimentary figures I've been able to work out are immense - a 1% annual property tax (which would be in line with what many US States do) would double the revenue we get from Council Tax. And whilst I get the unease at nationalising our only local tax, the uneven distribution of property wealth, really means that it shouldn't be linked to locality”.

Or this:

“It won't make a whole lot of difference to the overall tax take, but switching Council Tax over to a flat 0.5% of (current) property values would do a lot to make that system fairer. It would require a revaluation, and a law change to make sure subsequent revaluations actually happen, but would be perfectly doable. And yes well-paid editors and columnists would harrumph loudly and call it communism, but when most people realised their council tax bill was actually lower I suspect the fuss would die down.”

i see Sunak has scrapped his No Fault evictions bill,

V disappointing that has been further delayed.

No. I wouldn't vote Tory at all now no matter who the party leader was. Especially not Kemi Badenoch though. She's our MP and she's awful.

I really can't fathom why so many people seem to like her so much. Do they never look beyond the end of their noses?

She's highly likely to get in here again though. It's a very safe Tory seat where you could hang the blue rosette on a donkey and then see it trotting into parliament.

And is Labour planning to do these things?

If people want to say that they will vote Labour because of particular policies, great, but what are the particular policies that Labour is saying they will have? Apart from generic made up things like halving violence against women (how?)

For the most part they are clear that they won't be changing much.

Yes.

They'll be a change in government. No more of the chaotic, shambolic, flipflopping, corrupt, lying, law breaking, lazy, ineffectual Tory fuckwits we've had for 13 years.

That'll be a good enough change.

I’d be tempted. I’ve never voted Tory, but they are generally sane on the gender issue. And this is too important to drop down the priority list.

Instead we'll have chaotic, shambolic, flipflopping, corrupt, lying, law breaking, lazy, ineffectual TRA-supporting Labour fuckwits.

Oh, Joy!

Oh, Rapture!

Pretty much

We might.

We might not. We might and might not have a Labour government. They might be awful, they might be great.

We know that the Tories are awful. We are living with the consequences of having them in government for 13 years and it's not easy. From the erosion of women's rights, to the economic damage of Austerity and Brexit. The lies, the law breaking, the complete disregard for women and children in policy making. The crazy increases in housing costs. The collapsing NHS and Education.

We know how incompetent, arrogant, divided and chaotic this Tory government are. We know how much damage they've done. And we know that they are still chaotic, corrupt and unstable.

Rishi Sunak's days are numbered.

I am pretty sure we know Labour is a shit show too.

No, because it'd be a cold day in hell before I voted Tory, and also, nothing good comes of that much self-satisfaction.

How do you know? Are you psychic? Are you happy with the shit show status quo, rather than want to try something different?

How much misery are you going to let other people suffer before you think enough is enough?

How do you know? Are you psychic?

Or Welsh….

So a family living in London or South East living in a semi or small detached valued at £1million which they probably had to scrimp and save to buy would now be landed with a 1% or £10,000 per year additional tax bill?
Do you really think that's a good idea?

Those scrimping and scraping to afford a house, in London and elsewhere in the UK, are being hammered right now and driven to the brink because of Tory arrogance and incompetence.

They have failed strivers. They have failed the UK. They have failed women and children. They have failed. I cannot think of a single UK sector that has benefited during the past 13 years of Conservative government.

Ditto

This (thanks PP):

No. I admire Kemi and appreciate what she's doing for women's rights.

I don't think all Tories are bastards or whatever. I'm utterly sick of Labour's cowardice and the appalling attitude of some of its MPs and supporters.

But I do not agree with Conservatives economically or on general "how people tick" or "how to treat members of a society fairly" issues.

I'm not convinced party politics is working tbh. I'd prefer cross party cooperation on stuff like women's rights, NHS and climate.

Has Kemi improved things for women?

Excellent question. Shouldn't take too long to get an answer!

They aren't hiding in their laundry rooms, we can all see how the party is operating and hear the things they are saying.

They are all kinds of fucked up.