Would you vote Tory if Kemi Badenoch was Tory the party leader and the election was tomorrow?

[lechiffre55]

Just curious to see what the answers here might be.
Would you vote Tory if Kemi Badenoch was the Tory party leader and the election was tomorrow?
Feel free to answer any way you like, and I don't care about derailing. The question is quite tongue in cheek, don't take it too seriously, and have fun with it if you want, rant if you want. I'm trying to get a picture of the MN mood.

@Hurrydash, it shouldn't be beyond your understanding because people repeatedly voted Tory after PM May first put Self ID on the table in 2017.

This whole trans shitshow happened under and because of the Tory party who've been in power since 2010.

So you support the Labour policies outlined by Saffronspice?

Good luck with that.

I don't care what Theresa May did.

I absolutely do not want these rules in our country.

So why are they pushing it in Wales as we speak? Why did they vote for it in Scotland?

It was Labour who started this shit show with the GRA and the mess that is the Equality Act with regard to sex.

I don't support Labour policies. I don't support Labour. And I certainly don't support the Tories. I support Women's rights.

The Tories record on women's rights during the 13 years they have been in government is fucking offensive! And it includes the Trans shitshow. IIRC, Self ID was first proposed by PM May, the devolved regions followed. It was driven by Tory TRA ministers, MPs and donors. Many of them still active and powerful within the party. That's why they put Trans back in the Conversion Therapy Bill that caused panic a couple of weeks ago. That's why they won't issue the guidance schools need to keep children and staff safe.

No one was erasing women/girls or mother in 2010 and im pretty sure the Secretary of State for Education knew the definition of "Girl". 13 years under the Tories and calling a man a man, retweeting JKR or being in possession of a sticker can land a woman down the station. This trans shitshow happened Under Tory Eye. And they haven't finished yet.

On top of that you have all the other ways they've ballsed up UK women with Austerity, housing, education, health, law and criminal justice system fuck ups.

13 years of Conservative government wrecked women's rights and wrecked the country. They're a fucking disgrace.

It's not about the past it's about the future.

Labour proposed policies are an abomination of women's and children's rights.

If this didn’t happen none of the gender mess we see now would exist

Yes, although actually I prefer Rishi.

Conservatives are a shitshow but I do not want Labour’s policies.

I understand that for some people that politics goes deep. Maybe from a family that has for generations voted the same way with pride. But what I really don't get is the denial.
If someone said to me "I care about women's rights, and I think although they were slow to wake up the Tories at least pretend to understand the clash between women's rights and TRA better than Labour, but I couldn't ever vote for the Tories." I would have no issue understanding that. But this attempt to lay all the blame at the Tories, especially with everything Labour has said. For instance misgendering to become a criminal offense punishable by 2 years in jail, is pure deliberate wilful denial. I cannot imagine what headspace someone must be living in to be that mentally tied up in knots.
There's a degree of cart before the horse illogic. Fair enough if you think that Labour are much better than the Tories, but when the Tories and Labour lay out their positions clearly on an issue, to they insist that the positions are swapped around is to attempt to deny the reality we can all see with our own eyes, to gaslight.
If you still prefer Labour to the Tories by the hugest of margins, that's fine, that's your right, your vote. But to say Labour are better on this one issue, when we can all see their positions is just ludicruos.

Thank you so much for your eloquence and clarity of thought.

On top of that you have all the other ways they've ballsed up UK women with Austerity, housing, education, health, law and criminal justice system fuck ups.

You should try living under the SNP/Greens in Scotland or Labour in Wales. Health, criminal justice, education and housing are all devolved and much worse than England. May might have proposed Self ID but it was stopped by the Tories too. As for schools guidance - have you seen the labour and SNPs guidance?

It's not about the past It's about the future.

What do you base the future on?

The Tories are in government in the present. They will be in government for 7months to 1year into the future. How do you see them progressing women's rights in this time?

If they win the next GE, it will be with a much reduced majority. What do you think will happen in their future and how will it benefit women?

I suggest you read and reflect on lechiffre55's post below.

The answers are all there.

I'm not attempting to lay all the blame with the Tories. I'm telling you that it happened when they were in government. Due to TRAs in the Tory party and TRA donors to the Tory party.

I get that it's hard for many of you to accept that your beloved Conservatives did this. Much easier to blame the Opposition. And it totally sounds like the sort if thing Labour, LibDems etc. would be in to.

But it was the Tory party that ceded our rights to trans folk and refuse to uphold them now. They won't even give the necessary guidance to schools.

At best, the Conservative party is useless wrt women's rights. At worst their continuing chaos and erosion of those rights will be to the detriment of women as a class.

I didn't see anyone defending the tories here.
Just read the Labour policies - summarised in the posts below - and if you want to support those objectives that's your right.
As per posts please just stop gaslighting.
Thanks and all the best.

No fucking chance. She has voted against raising corporation tax, against improved benefits for disabled people, against measures to prevent climate change, voted for GPs buying in private services, voted against immigration policies which would prevent endangering lives at sea, against keeping fundamental human rights in line with the EU.
She couldn't even be bothered to turn up to vote for abortion reform in Northern Ireland. -That's how much she really cares about women's rights.

She voted against UK law enabling unaccompanied children in Europe who have a family member in the UK to seek asylum in the UK. So she voted to keep children alone and unsafe.
She voted not to raise the threshold for denying an individual the 30-day recovery period for victims, or potential victims of slavery or trafficking, during which they cannot be removed from the United Kingdom, and and to allow those under 18 years to be denied the recovery period. - She literally voted to allow enslaved children to be slung our if the country with no support.

She voted against giving legal aid representation to bereaved people at inquests where a public body has a connection to the case.

She voted not to waive immigration and nationality related fees for non UK citizens in the UK armed forces who have served for at least five years, and their dependents.

voted for GPs buying in private services

Curious about this. GPs are private businesses and have been since the inception of the NHS, alongside, dentists, opticians and pharmacists. What private services are you referring to? IT provision? Property management? Taking over other GP practices when their partners retire? Locum services? Leasing equipment? Accountancy to ensure optimum tax efficiency for withdrawing each partners share of profits? Insurance? Legal services?

Yes

I would definitely vote Tory if they put repeal of the GRA in their manifesto.

Yes, women’s rights all the way, to misquote our scolds. Once we’ve sorted out women’s rights we can work on the other stuff

Other stuff being... the urgent need to address climate breakdown, the crisis in the NHS which meant that when my son's GP referred him urgently with a suspected brain tumor (false alarm thank God) it was a two month wait and that was with my GP calling weekly and being told "we know its urgent, this is our timescale for urgent ", the level of abject poverty in this country disproportionately impacting single mothers, the major issues in the educational sector, the human rights crises in multiple countries...

I want my kids to have a world to grow up in. That's my voting priority.

Because Labour is doing soooo much better with the NHS in Wales? (It’s worse)

I don't think a who is better Labour or Tories argument is constructive because wherever they happen, they tend to be very entrenched mud slingling.

My original question was more to get a sense of the strength of feeling of GC views. e.g. How many women care so strongly about their losses of rights that they would be prepared to hold their nose and vote Tory to try and get this one issue resolved.
Another example of this would be Brexit. I believe when the red wall fell to give the Tories a huge majority it was to "get Brexit done". There was a chance for the Tories to use that mandate to try and seduce traditional Labour voters, but in my opinion they completely blew that chance.
The original purpose of the question was to try to gauge strength of feeling and passion on the subject of gender critical views, and loss of women's right on FWR. It looks like it might turn some votes, but a minority from what's been posted here.
The one thing I have learned in this thread is that leftists feel very emboldened in our culture to denigrate and insult people who don't align to their political views, while the centre or right know to keep their mouths shut to avoid the abuse. But as Jonathan Pie said one people are all alone in the voting booth and there's no one to scream and shout at them, then they can make their voice heard with thier vote.

I don't think a who is better Labour or Tories argument is constructive

Surely when it comes to who do you vote for that is exactly the question and argument is far better than #NoDebate.

Yes