BBC reporting on Glinner: a seismic shift, a coup or a rogue breakthrough that will be quashed?

[BonfireLady]

This is a huge change from the BBC in how it's reporting on both Glinner and the concerns that he has on the impact of gender identity belief

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66979020

Gwan!

She recently guffawed at a gay man who said he had received abuse, apparently she thinks it's ok to do this because he runs a website that supports and celebrates LGBT (yes, trans included) people.

Now how do I get my million £? Is the prize offered by her personally?

To get back to the OP rather than those who are just padding out another thread with words like homophobe etc., so that internet search engines can then say mumsnet is full of right wingers and homophobes. I know its tempting to respond but it only encourages them.

Whoops, now I've got caught up in the whatabouterry, which is making every thread on FWR the same.

No, the BBC is not taking a better informed line on Glinner.

This is the BBC trying to "smear" by association the Tory party for allowing someone who has been cancelled, by all the correct thinking elitists at the BBC, to have a platform.

Very similar to what C4 news did in reporting the Tory party conference, when saying that Kemi Badenoch got a huge round of applause for promoting right wing approach to various issues, and they included trans issues as being one of them.

Well I’m sure you can show us this tweet Steph

are you never allowed to laugh at men if they're gay?

what if they're ridiculous?

or is it impossible to be both ridiculous and gay?

https://twitter.com/BadWritingTakes/status/1677429565436698624

Here. Can't link directly to it because she blocked me, oh well.

Er, except lots of non-genderists are lesbian and gay.
Many, many ex-Stonewall members (including at least one founder and their former lawyer)
Glinner's fellow youtuber and outspoken non-genderist ArtyMorty is gay
Mr Menno is gay
James Dreyfus is gay
LGB Alliance: set up by lesbians, a number of whom were instrumental in the fight for gay rights back in the day
A great many women from A Woman's Place are lesbian
Julie Bindel: lesbian
The late, great Magdalen Berns was lesbian
Kathleen Stock is lesbian
All of Get the L Out, obviously, lesbian

And those are just some examples. Lots of non-well-known lesbians I know personally who are not at all cool with this or the blatant lesbophobia and hatred directed against them, particularly with regard to misogynist idiots actually protesting against lesbians being permitted to have lesbian-only meetings, for instance.

Many of us objecting to the misogyny are lesbian and/or longstanding feminists (of the old school, i.e. who understand the history of women's rights, know material reality matters, and know what both misogyny and patriarchy are)

What sexuality is Martina Navratilova, btw?

Marge who was banned for transphobia?

That Marge?

Blimey

Yes I've heard of loud mouths Blindel and Stock who are in the DM non stop complaining about being "cancelled" amongst a few others.

There are also tens of thousands of lesbian gay and bi people up and down the country who don't have the privilege of being platformed daily in the British tabloids who do support trans people and rights.

Ahhhh I thought it might be that. Penis news have run literally thousands of articles on JKR They have gloated & glorified in the death threats, rape threats and every single bit of bile & hate poured on her. They have cheerleaded it. So yeah their editor whining that ppl have “piled on” them on social media elicits the tiniest violin In existence.

for the not blocked by jkr here’s the whole thread

https://x.com/simonjedge/status/1676936883949928448?s=46&t=aWQLrPtVicDNf6MQpq5WVg

It seems that a total lack of comprehension is required to cheerlead gender ideology, if the Rowling tweet Steph has linked to is supposed to demonstrate her hatefulness.

Don’t think it’ll win the £million, sorry. I don’t think the £million is winnable by anyone.

It isn't about being "cancelled" (you'd love if nobody was able to speak about it ever publicly, still, wouldnt you? But No Debate is over, sorry) it's about being bullied, smeared and lied about. See someone's doing a good job here on that one. Operation #LetThemSpeak does seem to work well for us, however, so do carry on with the bullshit, even if integrity usually serves genuine civil rights movements better, historically speaking.

It's also about the thousands of non well-known women, including many lesbians, who have been hounded and bullied in their own workplaces, e.g. by having dickheads campaign against them for having the temerity to a) want to retain their own spaces or at least discuss it before they're removed without consent or scrutiny b) know that sex matters materially, when and in what ways and c) what their current legal rights are. Not to mention the growing numbers of mainly female detransitioners.

I agree with you. I don't think that the article does him any favours. It's all about linking him with the Right, Elon Musk, and alleged misdeeds etc.

Not much about what he DID say, how persecuted he has been, how he has been misrepresented. The reference to him saying that the NHS, Police et al have been captured - to me comes across as a hint that he is a bonkers conspiracy believer.

I think it's a shabby write up which deliberately body swerves the horrible truth about what has happened to Graham and how shabbily he has been treated, including by the BBC.

If I go and watch a gay comedian am I supposed to laugh or not?

Obviously either way I’d be labelled transphobic, a true ally would only support the T.

I thought the T shirt which DT wore stated "Leave Trans kids alone, you absolute freaks". It was not about, nor did it mention, LGB sexuality. In fact, many think the nouveau trans movement is homophobic as well as misogynistic.

Just implied that those who did not believe in this new gender soul being separate from your biological body (and all the interventions and social infringements that go along with it) was a freak. Maybe heretic (as it strikes me appears to be DT's spiritual views from the T-shirt message) would have been less offensive, and more correct.

That's a very interesting point about the BBC co-teaming him with the Tories. Potentially so. Definitely one to watch. Also an interesting point about Channel 4. These impartial news providers do seem to struggle with how free a free press can be.

As for this thread, I think we've mostly kept it on track and some of the deviations may be quite interesting for any lurkers. Even if it gets found via Google. There's only one person throwing around any accusations.
To pick up on one: that prize money is for something transphobic (she is constantly being accused of being a transphobe - I'm not sure she gets accused of homophobia) so providing a link where a gay man who runs Pink News is being laughed at for the irony of being upset about instigating pile-ons wouldn't even be worth an application for the prize fund. That context is all visible from the screenshot that was provided, let alone the extra context with the JKR link.

If you search for Glinner on X/Twitter you just get a load of fake Graham Linehan accounts. What’s going on with that?

BTW I’m very supportive of Glinner. I think he’s absolutely genuine and I completely see how he has at times used unwise and intemperate language. He must be exasperated. I know I am. That BBC article isn’t very balanced at all. The read through is that Glinner exaggerates, oversteps the mark and needs disciplining by authorities. We should all write to Points of View really. (If it still exists.)

There's something called 'shadow banning', which I don't understand but it means you're still on X but very hard to find. I thought Elon had stopped all this nonsense.

Yes. Someone really doesn’t want Glinner’s tweets out in the open.

That's a very good point about the shadow banning. When I finally decided to follow him it took quite a while to find his actual account. In the end I think I came on to the FWR board and clicked on a link to navigate there. Several of the fake accounts use the same icon as his real account, so it was difficult to know what was what.

I've noticed a few odd quirks with Twitter. Sometimes when you create a post it disappears without trace. Also there's a very odd issue with liking the JKR tweet from 2019. I added a like when I saw it for the first time (I've now seen that it continually gets retweeted for this exact reason) and the like disappeared. I went back in and liked it again. Same thing. When you look at the comments, it's happening continuously. No idea what other quirks there are, but Glinner has been navigating all of this for years so I'm not surprised that he's got a few different tactics to get his message heard.

I hadb't realised that Glinner had "failed" a police security check. You dont know whether to laugh or cry. Just unbelievable. https://order-order.com/2023/09/08/from-blacklist-to-guest-list-linehan-re-invited-to-tory-conference/

The Daily Mail has been serialising his book, and there's another big interview in the Telegraph today https://archive.ph/VWyGm

Does anyone know if the Guardian has reviewed he book? I suspect not.

In many ways having this issue become a party politics one is doing us no favours. Because all the virtue signallers are more interested in their virtue credentials.

Just as an aside, although both the BBC and C4 gave the Tory Party conference a sort of silly season coverage (will they, wont they) the Sunday Telegrpah said that in fact despite people making out Sunak is just some sort of bean counter who should never have been made PM, they think his pragmatic approach is better than all those being I am more of a true tory than you.

@Stephannee why are you so obsessed with the sexualities of two people you will never meet? Seems a bit weird.

I was hoping to hear more about Manchester police failing linnehan’s vetting. It’s very sinister
Mark Littlewood, Director General of the Institute of Economic Affairs said:
“It’s extraordinary that even the Conservatives came within a whisker of banning a well-known comedian from speaking on a panel about free speech at a party conference. This shows just how deeply cancel culture has permeated institutions across our society. We’re grateful that the Conservatives swiftly u-turned on their initial decision, but they clearly need to review processes so this doesn’t happen to anyone else. There are also serious questions for the police, who are continuing to keep records on individuals who have committed no crime over their entirely legal speech.”

sounds like the police felt happy to blackball him based on a non crime hate incident?

those seriously need to go in the bin

Sorry not to add meaningfully to the thread, but just to say I'm gutted the transwoman IT Crowd episode was removed - it was one of the very best! (Not quite the best, as that's a stupendously high bar for such an overall high quality comedy series, but I'd say probably runner up. Do watch it if you can find it!)

Sorry - as you were.

If you search for Glinner on X/Twitter you just get a load of fake Graham Linehan accounts. What’s going on with that?

I've found this. Search for "Glinner" and up pop half a dozen fake accounts with very similar names. The actual account - which, if anyone needs it, is simply @glinner - doesn't come up on a search. Given that the actual Glinner has more than half a million followers, whereas the rest have a few dozen or, at most, a few hundred, is insane.