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BBC reporting on Glinner: a seismic shift, a coup or a rogue breakthrough that will be quashed?

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BonfireLady · 02/10/2023 09:48

This is a huge change from the BBC in how it's reporting on both Glinner and the concerns that he has on the impact of gender identity belief

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66979020

Graham Linehan (file pic)

Graham Linehan attacks cancel culture at Conservative conference fringe event

The comedy writer tells a free speech debate his views on gender have made it hard to find places to speak.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66979020

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Stephannee · 02/10/2023 14:19

RoyalCorgi · 02/10/2023 13:52

I'm a bit surprised Glinner has a tv agent, as it's a very long time since he did any tv work, as far as I'm aware.

I can see why Glinner uses the word groomer to criticise people who are implicated in this ideology but from a purely pragmatic point of view, I don't think it's helpful. It will piss off people like Tenant himself, piss off people who like Tenant and don't understand why he's being attacked and piss off people who haven't got a good knowledge of the debate and think he's being unnecessarily inflammatory.

Calling someone a "groomer" just because you dislike the fact they support LGBT people, could be considered defamation, it isn't "criticising" as Graham has called it.

I can see why the man has had the police speak to him several times and warn him.

Rudderneck · 02/10/2023 14:24

I tend to agree about the term "groomer."

I understand what is meant and I think it's a real process.

But calling individuals groomers, in the minds of most people, is saying that they are pedophiles who are surreptitiously trying to get personal access to kids. It's intensely personal and people naturally are horrified, and angry to be accused of that. And understood in that sense, it's not usually accurate. No one thinks that is what someone like Tennant is doing and it seems deeply nasty to make that accusation.

Saying, well I mean it differently than 95% of people doesn't really cut much ice. Which may seem unfair given all the other wordplay going on with this issue, but that's how it is. If most people understand a word one way, if you use it differently people will misunderstand you.

To say, I use it because it causes an immediate emotional reaction - well, great - but that also means that people won't bother to read your explanation once you've said it.

GoodOldEmmaNess · 02/10/2023 14:24

ArabellaScott · 02/10/2023 11:22

'we approached ourself for comment but declined to answer ourself'

In fairness to the BBC, I think they have strict rules about any reporting that addresses the organisation itself and are quite good about preserving the correct separation between the reporter and whatever portion of the BBC is being reprted on. So I think it is perfectly reasonable and correct for the article to say that the BBC had been approached for comment.

Although parts of the article are uncomfortable to read (because they create the fear that anyone not already familiar with the debate will get too negative an impression of Glinner), I don't think that this is a 'hit job' of any sort. The BBC isn't anything like as biased in the reporting of this issue as, say, the guardian. It has been guilty of naivety on the whole, rather than outright tribalism.

I think the BBC is just doing its usual thing of practicing a rather dogmatic version of balance. Ultimately, this will help, not hinder, the exposure of all the awful errors and distortions in recent conceptualisations of trans rights, because it leaves less scope for those who will want to accuse responsible journalists of being transphobic.

Pretty much any news story, taken as a standalone, creates some possibility that readers will judge one protagonist or another unfairly. But ordinary readers are generally a little bit better at reserving judgement than we sometimes fear them to be.

DiabolicalFinial · 02/10/2023 14:46

Glinner does not have a problem with anyone supporting LGB people - why would he?

DarkDayforMN · 02/10/2023 15:07

I’m in two minds about “groomer” because it encapsulates a lot of the valid worries people have about this movement in two syllables. “OK groomer” was a pretty genius coinage of Glinner’s and there’s a reason the term took off like it did.

But directing it at popular figures like David Tennant, regardless of how wrong he is on this issue, is impolitic. I ❤️ Glinner and sometimes I wish he’d find his inner politician. Not because I give a shit about the likes of Tennant, just to protect himself.

But then if he was in touch with his inner politician he’d never have touched this issue to begin with, and he made a massive difference, especially in the days when no one with any kind of profile would talk about this.

Stephannee · 02/10/2023 15:14

DiabolicalFinial · 02/10/2023 14:46

Glinner does not have a problem with anyone supporting LGB people - why would he?

Clearly he does given the inflammatory false accusations, insults and violent threats he makes towards LGBT people and their allies.

He can't seem to understand why he got divorced, warned by police, dropped by theatres, dropped by his TV agent etc. Does the man have no sense of self-awareness?

WallaceinAnderland · 02/10/2023 15:16

A badge that says 'you are safe with me' is ill advised at best.

There are better ways of pointing this out though.

TRAs have a very blinkered attitude which designates people as 'good' or 'bad'. DT is 'good' as he supports their ideology. Anyone who speaks against him is 'bad'. It's a strange stance to take and will eventually be their undoing I suspect.

Stephannee · 02/10/2023 15:25

"Anyone who speaks against him is 'bad'."

"Speaking against" someone is one thing. Falsely accusing someone of "grooming" is another as it's a very serious accusation and potentially criminal.

FuriousAndFrustrated · 02/10/2023 15:27

Stephannee · 02/10/2023 15:14

Clearly he does given the inflammatory false accusations, insults and violent threats he makes towards LGBT people and their allies.

He can't seem to understand why he got divorced, warned by police, dropped by theatres, dropped by his TV agent etc. Does the man have no sense of self-awareness?

We see you, sneaking the T on the end of LGB.

DiabolicalFinial · 02/10/2023 15:28

Again - Glinner has no problem with LGB people or their supporters.

DiabolicalFinial · 02/10/2023 15:32

Hmmm - for a second, I thought it may have been ‘Stephonknee’ visiting MN…
I note, however, the rapid movement to legalese and declarations of criminality. Very interesting.

DialSquare · 02/10/2023 15:34

DiabolicalFinial · 02/10/2023 15:32

Hmmm - for a second, I thought it may have been ‘Stephonknee’ visiting MN…
I note, however, the rapid movement to legalese and declarations of criminality. Very interesting.

My thoughts exactly. On both counts.

IcakethereforeIam · 02/10/2023 15:37

Yup, me too.

Feministwoman · 02/10/2023 15:41

And me.

ILikeDungs · 02/10/2023 15:52

I can see why the man has had the police speak to him several times and warn him.

...I see that the police were used as private henchmen by a serial litigant TRA

Clearly he does given the inflammatory false accusations, insults and violent threats he makes towards LGBT people and their allies.

...given how he speaks the naked truth toward militant T's and their allies

He can't seem to understand why he got divorced

...he knows well that his divorce was caused by TRAs repeatedly threatening his wife and children

dropped by theatres,

...dropped by theatres because they were afraid for their income stream when they, also, were threatened by rabid TRAs

dropped by his TV agent

...dropped by his TV agent because he was not afraid to speak the truth to a star. I mean, who wears a badge that encourages children you don't know to believe you are a 'safe' person to approach? Does David Tennant have no sense of self-awareness?

Fixed it for you.

Stephannee · 02/10/2023 15:53

DiabolicalFinial · 02/10/2023 15:28

Again - Glinner has no problem with LGB people or their supporters.

IMO he's a homophobe as well (it tends to go hand in hand with being a TERF) but you're all in agreement he has a problem with trans people?

Great, this a good thread to take an archive of to show theatres to ensure all his future performances will be street only.

Stephannee · 02/10/2023 15:57

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DarkDayforMN · 02/10/2023 15:59

...I see that the police were used as private henchmen by a serial litigant TRA

Wasn’t that serial litigant TRA a pervert who abused an underage TRA? Rather ironic that someone would mention the police doing the bidding of a pervert, in the context of objecting to Glinner’s use of “groomer.”

DarkDayforMN · 02/10/2023 16:00

Underage child, that should read.

IcakethereforeIam · 02/10/2023 16:05

Is Glinner the new KJK? Will this thread get to 1000 due to tras posting lies, irrelevances, derails and side quests?

LadyMary50 · 02/10/2023 16:06

Feministwoman · 02/10/2023 15:41

And me.

And me,very telling comment…

Slothtoes · 02/10/2023 16:12

The BBC will be realising that they are rightly being shown how shit they have been, and BBC now cares because ‘people’ (other than just us women making our complaints) have noticed

DiabolicalFinial · 02/10/2023 16:12

Ah, so you are after screenshots? Well, I never!

Do try to keep up - I never mentioned T. It is you that keep attempting to group LGB with unrelated additions.

Please link to the entire thread, though - so people can see the interesting interpretation you’ve attempted to overlay here.

Got to fly now - 😉

LadyMary50 · 02/10/2023 16:12

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Nope,nothing to do with LGB as well you know.Glinner has always been very vocal on LGB rights.Wacha gonna do sue me for stating facts..

LadyMary50 · 02/10/2023 16:16

Stephannee · 02/10/2023 15:25

"Anyone who speaks against him is 'bad'."

"Speaking against" someone is one thing. Falsely accusing someone of "grooming" is another as it's a very serious accusation and potentially criminal.

Got your lawyers books out again.Well,Well,Well the flying lawyer returns😂😂😂

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