BBC reporting on Glinner: a seismic shift, a coup or a rogue breakthrough that will be quashed?

[BonfireLady]

This is a huge change from the BBC in how it's reporting on both Glinner and the concerns that he has on the impact of gender identity belief

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66979020

This line is very telling:

He also took aim at the BBC over its treatment of trans issues, accusing the corporation of doing everything it can "to suppress this debate".
The BBC has been approached for comment.

I think they're doing that thing that people often do when called out on shitty behaviour: Pretend they're not doing anything wrong by purposely doing the opposite this one time to make it look like the person who hit out at them was wrong.

If it's part of a wider shift in reporting from the BBC I'll be quite pleased but I'll believe it when I see it.

He also took aim at the BBC over its treatment of trans issues, accusing the corporation of doing everything it can "to suppress this debate".

Indeed.

Interesting piece, thank you for sharing. Wonder if it’ll still be up in a few hours.

Here is the Twitter discussion:

https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/1708606764566868441?t=eHXbPBvrYH2fAPs-ujneUg&s=19

Glinner himself seems so shocked that he's opened up with a "Gosh" instead of an expletive 😉 (For context, I have a completely different style to Glinner in how I interact on this whole debate but that does not diminish my admiration for him).

I'm wondering what conversations this has kicked off in the BBC news offices today and what will happen next. Apparently this article was on the front page this morning when it first went up. What happens to each and every word over the next couple of days will be very telling. Suffice to say, I've got a screenshot of the whole lot. I should imagine like many people, I'll be dipping in periodically to play a game of Spot The Difference on what was first published versus the current version.

Fingers crossed for this being a proper shift in their editorial stance 🤞🤞

This was the biggest part that leapt out to me.

https://twitter.com/BonfireLady/status/1708755618691944857?t=jBYm9iiKtJdoyn5JqhTS7w&s=19

Perhaps it really is a sign of a change.... 🤞

Hmmm, could be read as impartial or maybe an attempt to link Graham to right wing and “fringe” views whilst looking factual. Ending with Twitter banning/Musk reinstatement and an episode taken down by C4 so for those with little knowledge of the real background maybe encouraging them to think there’s no smoke without fire.

Wonder if it’ll still be up in a few hours.

Indeed... 🤞🤞🤞

I’m very pleased that Graham was given this platform, though, and maybe I’m being too cynical about the BBC’s agenda. There definitely are some GC people at the BBC eg at Newsnight.

Very true.
It took me a very long time before I read anything that Glinner had to say on trans issues because, even when I was fully researching everything, I thought his voice and views were too extreme. My friend used to send me carefully selected excerpts from his substack because she knew I didn't want to read things through his lens. Eventually I got curious and looked, mostly because I was impressed with what I had read from the excerpts (one was a 3 part story of a mum of an ROGD girl and how she had helped her daughter) but also because I read such a scathing review of him in the independent and I looked up the journalist who wrote it.... who it turned out had connections with Mermaids or similar (I can't remember the exact details TBH but it involved being in a comms role I think)...So I stepped out of the echo chamber I didn't even know I was in and read what he was actually saying, rather than what he was reported to be saying.
It probably also helped that I'd already seen the banned episode of the IT Crowd and had remembered that the transwoman ends up as the victor.

But... to your point... not everyone will be on a similar journey to the above. Many will still be thinking no smoke without fire already. I'm imagining there will be another wave of changed views on this when his book comes out this month. It seems to be selling very well.

... on pre-order.

For me this is the best line:

'The writer has been an outspoken critic of transgender self-identification.'

Because it is factual. Well done BBC!

I agree. It starts off by factually reporting what he said and then gets a few nasty digs in at the end without giving any context about why those things happened.

I THINK what's happening is that the BBC can no longer ignore what's going on. The Mail has now done two massive excerpts from Glinner's book, giving double-page spreads. His book is selling like hot cakes. The BBC - slowly, painfully - is coming to the dawning realisation that actually, MOST people agree with Glinner, not just a few right-wing loons.

Some people will see the headline “Conservative conference fringe event” and automatically think Tories! Right-wing! Nasty! However, it’s a reasonable article - not fawning, but not a hit job either. It’s more sunlight for the gender-critical debate. If it encourages more people to sit up and take note, it can only be a good thing.

As I’ve said previously on MN, Graham’s Twitter page seems strangely ranty and obsessive to the unpeaked. It was only after hearing him speak on a podcast, sounding measured, clear, fair and articulate - that I really understood where he was coming from. I’m glad he was given this platform and the BBC have reported on it.

For the benefit of lurkers, Graham’s motivation doesn’t come from hating trans people, but from recognising that allowing gender ideology to infiltrate every aspect of life is harmful to women and children. I’m looking forward to reading his book and I hope this is the start of his uncancelling (if that’s a word).

'we approached ourself for comment but declined to answer ourself'

This is the Beeb saying :- ' You're not being cancelled Glinner me ould pal. Look there's you on the telly! '

😂 😂 😂

There’s an interesting implication in the article that the Manchester Police attempted to block his attendance at the conference by failing his vetting. I’d very much like to know more about that

rather bears this out if true:

The panel argued that free speech in the UK was being shut down by groups of people who were out of touch with the general public's views and increasingly intolerant of opinions they did not share

https://twitter.com/ICanSeeForever1/status/1708740095245783536

Graham Linehan has just lost his TV agent for falsely accusing a man of "grooming".

I love David Tennant . But that badge was strange and ill advised.

I don't always love the way Graham expresses himself, but 'don't ever challenge this child's views and give them them whatever they ask for', which was the implication behind that silly t-shirt is not something you wish for a child whose best interests you have at heart

I think tenant is an idiot rather than anything sinister. but harm done through idiocy is still harm

I agree @BernardBlacksMolluscs . Doubtless DT is a good man and means well.

But if you saw some Joe Bloggs with that badge on well.....I dunno.

Agreed, on both counts.

One of the biggest issues I had with Glinner (before I started reading his actual words in context) was his labelling of people as groomers. Sometimes he specifically uses it for paedophiles and sometimes for paedophile enablers.

I now completely get where he is coming from. Grooming can be direct or indirect. Anyone who enables what's happening to children at the moment is potentially somewhere on that pathway. And yes, that pathway does include lowering their sexual boundaries because young adolescents are being encouraged to conflate any emerging sexual orientation with a (belief in and self declaration of a) gender identity. Many gender identity namesv amongst the 96+ options specifically and deliberately conflate the two. Most people are completely unintentional in enabling this. David Tennant has some skin in the game because he has a child who identifies as non-binary. So already, he has a reason for advocating for gender identity belief and talking about it loudly. By doing so, he is using his voice to pull young people in by telling them that he is a safe haven because he "gets it". He compounds this by wearing a badge to say just how safe he is. I'd hazard a guess that if my autistic daughter bumped in to him wearing this badge and started a conversation about gender identity (my daughter is way too trusting and is still not sure what's what when it comes to gender identity) that he would happily tell her his views.... which I would happily guess would risk grooming her in to this world.
That's my understanding of what Glinner is talking about when he uses the word groomer in this particular context.

Whilst I'm sad to learn that his TV agent has dropped him, he's bounced back from far worse. I guess David Tennant can decide whether he uses for defamation - if he does, that will play out alongside all of this. Lots is unfolding at the moment regarding children and the risks and impacts of gender identity belief.

I'm a bit surprised Glinner has a tv agent, as it's a very long time since he did any tv work, as far as I'm aware.

I can see why Glinner uses the word groomer to criticise people who are implicated in this ideology but from a purely pragmatic point of view, I don't think it's helpful. It will piss off people like Tenant himself, piss off people who like Tenant and don't understand why he's being attacked and piss off people who haven't got a good knowledge of the debate and think he's being unnecessarily inflammatory.

At the start of his standup clip that he posted up this week he said he'd finally found a way to stop shouting "groomer" at people... and then went on to explain his decision not to pursue a career in stand-up and that he now had his book. As I now understand it (from my own POV), he's been denied a long form platform for so long he has condensed everything down into deliberately provocative soundbites just to get his voice heard.
I do agree that it wasn't helpful. I won't be the only person who was completely put off by it. Even when I first joined Twitter July, and I was already a Glinner convert, it took me a little while to follow him because I imagined this is what he'd be constantly saying all day.

There's a flip side to people like Tennant and Radcliffe saying to gender confused kids 'I support you'. It's the implication that everyone else is dangerous, an enemy. I don't care if Tennant gets called a hairdresser for horses (ffs), he started it, he called us 'freaks'. I think the demonisation of people who are gender critical, encouraged by them, is a million times worse than anything Glinner might dish out.

I'm surprised he still had a TV agent, whoever it was has hardly been pulling their weight recently.