MPs who believe ‘women have a penis’ will be named and shamed ahead of general election

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Brilliant plan sure plenty of Mumsnetters will be up for being part of the volunteer army asking questions:

An “army” of volunteers in an apolitical new grassroots campaign is gearing up to meet all MPs and parliamentary candidates at hustings events and on their doorsteps to ask each one the question: “What is a woman?”

Their answers will be video recorded and uploaded individually to a website which is being launched in the coming months.

It will allow voters to find out instantly whether their next MP thinks women must be born female and that binary biological sex cannot be changed, or whether they believe that male-born transgender women are women too.

Sharron Davies MBE, the former Olympic swimmer and feminist campaigner who has been appointed as the campaign’s first ambassador, said it would let voters “know if their MP will stand up for women”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/23/mps-believe-women-penis-named-trans-election-sharron-davies/

We also need a women's issues hustings in every constituency in the election run by people who know what women are. Women Won't Wheesht (WWW) have already run the prototype in Rutherglen [the hustings was reinstated after an attempt to cancel it after they realised banning women's meetings is in fact illegal.]
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4899435-womens-group-hustings-for-rutherglen-hamilton-west-byelection-cancelled

Because female rape survivors often need a space that excludes males.

Is your definition of woman "adult human female" and do you include feminine presenting males in that?

Did India Willoughby's career ever recover from the years lost in child rearing?
Dr Debbie Hayton must have worked so, so hard to make up for the 3 kids career gap.

And of course...

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/about-us/why-women-girls/

'An independent poll of 1,000 women across the UK found that 97% of those interviewed thought a female rape victim should have the choice of accessing a women-only support service.'

KingsHeath83

As a subgroup I would argue that trans people are far more discriminated against and subject to hostility and abuse than any other subsection of our society. And it's such a tiny number of people.

Interesting. So what group is ranked second in the table of groups most subject to hostility and abuse?

Have you ever looked into what percentage of disabled women are subjected to sexual assault in their lifetime?

I think your example of a rape survivor is, again, statically highly unlikely. There are very few tans women in the world. If one were working in a medical capacity in a rape centre (?) and a rape victim were to request a cis woman treat her, I am sure that common sense would prevail and the trans woman would not wish to cause any upset.

Equally if a minority ethnic woman had been assaulted by a white person and requested a minority ethnic team member treat her because white people reminded her of the assault (?) I'd feel that in that circumstance where someone was vulnerable and upset a team would seek to accommodate where possible.

But if the circumstance was being served in a shop, we all accept that we don't have the right to request someone of a different ethnic or gender group deal with us because that's not ok. See our society is able to operate on different levels, in different circumstances.

You didn't follow the arguments in Scottish Parliament, then.

Nobody is talking about being served in a shop, ffs.

Well those don't exist. I've been unlucky enough to attend one in my lifetime and I can assure you, men work there.

And men are also the victims of sexual violence. Less often. But it happens, and those males need exactly the same support women do.

Or the Forensic Medical Examiner Bill

Or the I am Sarah case

Or seen the abuse that JKR has received regarding Beira's Place

Or the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre CEO's remarks

And again, see the single sex exemptions in the EQA 2010.

I've only glanced at this last page but it's clear that you, @KingsHeath53, really need to do a lot of background reading on this before commenting.

@KingsHeath53 is on the wind up.

If one were working in a medical capacity in a rape centre (?) and a rape victim were to request a cis woman treat her, I am sure that common sense would prevail and the trans woman would not wish to cause any upset.

Really? Because I'm sure you'd be told to "reframe your trauma". Possibly even by an AGP with an interest in rape victims reaching orgasm.

Amazing how some posters rock up to lecture women on here while displaying a remarkable ignorance about the issues that have been discussed on here (and elsewhere) for so many years.

@KingsHeath53 you are either a troll, a man, a TRA or just bored at your desk.

Whatever your reasons for coming on this thread and spouting tut, nice try at derailing the thread set up to discuss the website being set up to name MP's who think a woman can have a penis.

I repeat my suggestion that you go and do your research.

The current CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre actually resigned from the SNP where they were suggested as an SNP candidate because of the voting of the issue around ensuring that it was legislated that a girl or woman would have the right to reject a male medical examiner if they presented themselves as their HCP for an examination if they had requested a female medical examiner.

What CEO of a rape crisis centre would do this?

Again, this is a male who has been working in Rape Crisis Centres for a long time now without disclosing that they are male. They even applied and was chosen for the job as CEO that was published citing the exemption that it should only be for female applicants.

In fact, there is one very significant and direct example where women 'lost out' to a male with a trans identity. This male applied for the job despite the exemption being cited in the job description.

I think so too. Opening with "I'm not a troll but" was the first move.

Never fear, dear KingsHeath, even if you don't give a shit about your rights ebbing away, there's an army of women who do and aren't too stupid or complacent to see it. One day you'll thank your lucky stars those women took on the work.

We have now seen 'there is not many' - the scarcity argument. And we are now seeing the not equivalent comparisons of being served in a store and racism.

I thought that discussion had moved past these basic flaws in the arguments by now.

Yes.

That comment about orgasm during rape by a male CEO of one of Scotland's largest rape crisis centres was yet another reason that I have read that women are self-excluding from the care that they need.

Let's also remember this male also self-published how good it made them feel when working in an Indian call centre to have the power of whether a woman got to feed herself and any of her family that day. Not that it was good to help that woman to feed herself. But to have the power over whether she did or not.

That person's history makes it really clear that they are not suitable to support women in a rape crisis centre.

I'm so looking forward to the website. My weasely MP is one of those "support everyone, be kind unless they're actual women" women.

Ignores emails asking questions or waffles on, deliberately missing the point, so a simple answer to a simple question will be mightily refreshing.

@KingsHeath53 Rule 1 of debating is:

Only respond if you understand the question.

I was responding to op's title and the Telegraph headline-
"MPs who believe women can have a penis will be named and shamed ahead of general election"
That's not the same as asking MPs to define woman.

I don't like the idea of "naming and shaming" in particular female MPs, at all.

I see.

Now we are at the 'women should not expect that holy grail of a female only support group because they don't exist'? Is that what you are saying KingsHeath?

I am sorry that you have had need of one. And that it was not centred around female people.

Those centred around female people do exist. And they did exist. There are not many at the moment. But they are still out there.

Again, I don't know how many times I can say this. You really should do some research before you post your misinformation.

But the way though, no one on this thread has argued that male people should not have their own centres and groups. And no one on this thread has argued that trans people should not have groups that include them. At all.

I see some one mentioned the Sarah Summers case up thread. There are many threads on this board about that case, I suggest that you read them.

I can't actually read the article because of the paywall but assume it's the normal Telegraph waffle about how great Sunak is vs how shit any left leaning politicians are

You haven't read it?

Well. Anyway, if you plug the url into something such as 12ft ladder you will get to read it. Or you can plug the URL into an archive site. It will no doubt be archived. However, we cannot post archive URLs as they are hidden and deleted.