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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Scottish women - speak up now while you still can.

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ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 12:40

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/police-scotland-set-up-new-30983808

'Police Scotland is setting up a dedicated hate crime unit ahead of Humza Yousaf's hugely controversial new laws coming into force early next year, it can be revealed.
The unit is expected to go live in November and training of the force's 16,400 officers gets underway in December in preparation for the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act being implemented in early 2024. The legislation consolidates existing law and extends protection for vulnerable groups with a new offence of "stirring up hatred".
Under the Act, offences are considered "aggravated" – which could influence sentencing – if they involve prejudice on the basis of age, disability, race, religion, sexual orientation, transgender identity or variations in sex characteristics. Critics fear a disproportionate amount of police time will be diverted into policing toxic gender culture wars, with an over emphasis on "pursuing hurtful words but not violent conduct".
They claim the new laws will also have a "chilling effect" on free speech and warn that campaigners supporting women's rights may find themselves facing accusations of transphobia. Helen Joyce, director of advocacy with human rights group Sex Matters, said: "The establishment of a new, dedicated hate crime unit at Police Scotland sends a sinister message to those who advocate for women's and children's rights.'

Police Scotland set up new unit to tackle 'hate crime' such as misgendering

The dedicated unit will go live in November as Humza Yousaf's hated hate crime laws – which could see people criminalised for what they think or what they say in their own homes – will finally come into effect in 2024

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/police-scotland-set-up-new-30983808

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porridgecake · 05/10/2023 19:54

"Do people honestly go out to vote not know what they are voting for?"

Yes. I think a lot of the time they do.

RethinkingLife · 05/10/2023 22:56

if they can't be buggered to wake up and do something, then they deserve what is going to happen to them

Nobody deserves this. Dworkin guides us here.

Feminism is a political practice of fighting male supremacy on behalf of women as a class, including all the women you don't like, including all the women you don't want to be around, including all the women who use to be your best friends whom you don't want anything to do with any more. It doesn't matter who the individual women are. -- Andrea Dworkin

duc748 · 05/10/2023 23:27

Duffdee · 05/10/2023 19:44

Yeah I see it differently… I see it as you get what you vote for. If this is on offer at the ballot box and society chooses to vote for it then it’s going to get it.

What I don’t get though is how people can’t seem to understand that these policies they’re complaining about are inherently left wing and will be the consequences of voting left. Do people honestly go out to vote not know what they are voting for?

I'm not sure what policies you are talking about, but if you're talking about self-ID, more hate crime legislation, etc, I don't see anything 'left-wing' about them. However much they may be espoused by allegedly 'left-wing' parties.

Froodwithatowel · 06/10/2023 09:11

RethinkingLife · 05/10/2023 22:56

if they can't be buggered to wake up and do something, then they deserve what is going to happen to them

Nobody deserves this. Dworkin guides us here.

Feminism is a political practice of fighting male supremacy on behalf of women as a class, including all the women you don't like, including all the women you don't want to be around, including all the women who use to be your best friends whom you don't want anything to do with any more. It doesn't matter who the individual women are. -- Andrea Dworkin

I agree. I want equality of access and rights for all, regardless of whether or not I agree with them, like them, or they are my mates. I spend my time banging my head against a brick wall here and getting increasingly angry and depressed because I think rights for all matter.

But I also think if you cannot be bothered to inform yourself and think, then yes, you have to own what you have let happened to you, because I'm losing all patience and resilience to keep trying to open the eyes of people stuck in awww bless (and it's no skin off my nose).

ArabeIIaScott · 29/10/2023 07:16

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,a-perfect-storm-police-cuts-and-hate-crime

View from MBM Policy.

This comes in in February.

I think Scottish women should seek suutable lawyers and keep a card with their details on them. Perhaps we also need a guide to what to do if arrested.

A perfect storm? Police cuts and hate crime

Coming into force next year, the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act could cause a potential deluge of complaints...

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,a-perfect-storm-police-cuts-and-hate-crime

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Froodwithatowel · 29/10/2023 09:28

It's also going to be a bit grim if you want your burglary investigated, or you've been mugged, but your local bobbies are all busy nicking the old dear over the road for mentioning reality.

duc748 · 29/10/2023 09:57

Wow! That is quite something. And the worst of it is, it all happens because 'good' men and women remained silent.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/10/2023 10:20

It's also going to be a bit grim if you want your burglary investigated, or you've been mugged, but your local bobbies are all busy nicking the old dear over the road for mentioning reality.

Indeed.

porridgecake · 29/10/2023 10:33

For years there has been no publicity or information about this ideology and changes in the law, in schools, the NHS, the work place, outside of MN.
Trying to tell family, friends and colleagues what is going on is often met with disbelief and the response that life is far too busy to pay any attention.
The mainstream media has, until very recently, ignored and failed to report on the issue and the main media channels are completely captured.
Employment tribunals and legal action have gone unreported and what is actually written in the newspapers doesn't really explain the background that we all understand.
Against a backdrop of spiralling costs, poverty, homelessness, domestic violence, no health care, the average person has no headspace for this apart from maybe hearing about the increasing number of mixed sex toilets everywhere.
The majority of people I talk to about this just think it is something I am obsessed with and it won't affect them. Many of the younger ones have swallowed it hook, line and sinker and think everyone should just be kind.
Only very, very slowly is the tide beginning to turn.

JanesLittleGirl · 29/10/2023 11:00

How much time will Police Scotland have to investigate all the other complaints once they have dealt with the 500 complaints about JKR that they will receive each week?

SinnerBoy · 29/10/2023 11:06

JanesLittleGirl· Today 11:00

How much time will Police Scotland have to investigate all the other complaints once they have dealt with the 500 complaints about JKR that they will receive each week?

I think you've missed a zero off.

JanesLittleGirl · 29/10/2023 11:08

Yeah, you're probably right.

HidingBehindABigRock · 29/10/2023 11:19

What is the reach of this? If you are not in Scotland but have a conversation digitally with someone from Scotland which they consider a hate incident will this be logged against you? For example if you rolled your eyes in a work zoom call and it was perceived as hate against a characteristic.

ArabeIIaScott · 29/10/2023 12:32

HidingBehindABigRock · 29/10/2023 11:19

What is the reach of this? If you are not in Scotland but have a conversation digitally with someone from Scotland which they consider a hate incident will this be logged against you? For example if you rolled your eyes in a work zoom call and it was perceived as hate against a characteristic.

From reading the Police Scotland guidance, they will liaise with other police forces outwith Scotland.

There will also be the new Online Safety Bill to consider.

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ArabeIIaScott · 29/10/2023 12:36

duc748 · 29/10/2023 09:57

Wow! That is quite something. And the worst of it is, it all happens because 'good' men and women remained silent.

To be fair there was massive pushback on this. From police organisations, the press, religious bodies, etc.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56364821

Humza/Scotgov pushed the Bill through regardless.

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MSPs approve Scotland's controversial hate crime law

The controversial legislation consolidates existing law and extends protection for vulnerable groups.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56364821

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ArabeIIaScott · 29/10/2023 12:37

National Secular Society

'...we remain concerned that the 'stirring up hatred' offences in this bill will have a chilling effect on freedom of expression in Scotland.
"These offences risk encouraging vexatious complaints, creating unnecessary bureaucracy and making ordinary Scots less willing to engage in public debate."'

https://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2021/03/hate-crime-bill-passes-and-blasphemy-law-abolished-in-scotland

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WickedSerious · 29/10/2023 12:37

I can just imagine someone being charged with 'curling their lip in the general direction of the victim'.

ArabeIIaScott · 29/10/2023 12:41

Wicked they can be charged with anything.

There is no threshold and no definition. It rests entirely on the perception of the person making the complaint - who does not have to be a witness or the alleged victim.

Edit: As I've said before, if I've got this wrong I would dearly love for someone to disabuse me of my misunderstanding.

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WickedSerious · 29/10/2023 12:52

That's my understanding too,it's a whisker away from thought crime.

ArabeIIaScott · 29/10/2023 13:13

I'm not seeing the whisker, tbh.

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RethinkingLife · 29/10/2023 13:39

ArabeIIaScott · 29/10/2023 13:13

I'm not seeing the whisker, tbh.

Preach Christina Aguilera GIF

Nothing but agreement here.

I don't know how you'll be able to live under this regime in Scotland.

pressedinclay · 29/10/2023 13:44

I am in Scotland and have a Gender critical twitter, I am worried that TRA's will be monitoring women like me and waiting for a time when they can report us for saying men cannot be women on our social media.

Froodwithatowel · 29/10/2023 14:23

Well that's the aim of the game. Burn the witches, make everyone else afraid, and hey presto you've controlled the populace.

Temporarily of course. A captive population tends to end up driven over the edge and after that it gets really ugly, but apparently it's only the old and stupid and will be dead soon that know anything about history.

pressedinclay · 29/10/2023 17:03

Its so awful and depressing, I feel like women are being told that men have the right to abuse us, to transgress our boundaries and trample all over our rights and that it will be made a criminal offence to speak up about it, or campaign against it or even in many cases to not think the right thoughts! It is also telling that while men have their "sexual rights" protected under law women are given no such protection from misogynistic hate crimes!

If feels like the only permissible woman is one who acquiesces to men and male desire.

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