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Scottish women - speak up now while you still can.

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ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 12:40

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/police-scotland-set-up-new-30983808

'Police Scotland is setting up a dedicated hate crime unit ahead of Humza Yousaf's hugely controversial new laws coming into force early next year, it can be revealed.
The unit is expected to go live in November and training of the force's 16,400 officers gets underway in December in preparation for the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act being implemented in early 2024. The legislation consolidates existing law and extends protection for vulnerable groups with a new offence of "stirring up hatred".
Under the Act, offences are considered "aggravated" – which could influence sentencing – if they involve prejudice on the basis of age, disability, race, religion, sexual orientation, transgender identity or variations in sex characteristics. Critics fear a disproportionate amount of police time will be diverted into policing toxic gender culture wars, with an over emphasis on "pursuing hurtful words but not violent conduct".
They claim the new laws will also have a "chilling effect" on free speech and warn that campaigners supporting women's rights may find themselves facing accusations of transphobia. Helen Joyce, director of advocacy with human rights group Sex Matters, said: "The establishment of a new, dedicated hate crime unit at Police Scotland sends a sinister message to those who advocate for women's and children's rights.'

Police Scotland set up new unit to tackle 'hate crime' such as misgendering

The dedicated unit will go live in November as Humza Yousaf's hated hate crime laws – which could see people criminalised for what they think or what they say in their own homes – will finally come into effect in 2024

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/police-scotland-set-up-new-30983808

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Hoardasurass · 21/09/2023 17:27

@ArabeIIaScott I really can't wait for this law to be used because it can't stand in a crt of law. If they had said that the perception of hate needed to be reasonable then it might stand the test but it won't unless ofcourse the police and procurator fiscal only use it for real hate crimes and not hurt feelings

duc748 · 21/09/2023 17:55

So if you saw some bloke in a dress and a beehive wig tottering down the road in high heels, would it be a hate crime to, say, point and laugh?

AlisonDonut · 21/09/2023 18:10

duc748 · 21/09/2023 17:55

So if you saw some bloke in a dress and a beehive wig tottering down the road in high heels, would it be a hate crime to, say, point and laugh?

What people fail to be seeing here is that the man doesn't have to have been wearing any wig, high heels, or doing any tottering. He just has to think he is being pointed at and laughed at, wearing any clothes, and all he has to say is he interprets someone laughing nearby [about something not related in any way to him] but because he says he is 'trans', he can report it as a hate incident.

I mean, how many times do we have to explain - this is about what a man SAYS. Nothing has to have actually happened but because he SAYS words, whatever he says goes.

Waitwhat23 · 21/09/2023 18:10

Mind as well that there is no dwelling defence so comments you make within your own home can be reported.

There's some chilling historical precedence there.

RealityFan · 21/09/2023 18:12

duc748 · 21/09/2023 17:55

So if you saw some bloke in a dress and a beehive wig tottering down the road in high heels, would it be a hate crime to, say, point and laugh?

It would be a crime not to.

RealityFan · 21/09/2023 18:13

Hoardasurass · 21/09/2023 17:27

@ArabeIIaScott I really can't wait for this law to be used because it can't stand in a crt of law. If they had said that the perception of hate needed to be reasonable then it might stand the test but it won't unless ofcourse the police and procurator fiscal only use it for real hate crimes and not hurt feelings

Keep it up, SNP nutjobs
Alongside # LetThemSpeak, now we have
LetThemLegislate

Kinneddar · 21/09/2023 18:17

Speaking as a Police Scotland despatcher all I can say is - this is all we fucking need 🙄🤦🏻‍♀️

HelenaTranscart · 21/09/2023 18:22

Yet another example of how much the Scottish Government HATE women. I'm off to craft another howler to my MSP not that it does much good. Please spread the word, talk to all your friends and family about what's happening, share this on SM, talk to your menfolk (we need the men in trousers to stand up to the men in dresses!) . As Helen Joyce says, they can't fire us all... we'll they can't imprison us all either!

SinnerBoy · 21/09/2023 18:29

*ArabeIIaScott · Today 14:41

You'd have thought 'Hate Crime Champion' wasn't really something you'd want on your CV, but we are in the upside down these days.

Lets hope he (it's almost a certainty) doesn't act like my high school bullying co-ordinator, who misunderstood the job to mean "Chief of all the Bullies."

(In the absence of a precise legal definition of malice and ill-will, consideration should be given to the ordinary dictionary definition, to wish someone harm).

I can see where this is going.... "She made me cry and she knew she would, when she said that I'm gulp, gasp! a MAN!! Pure malice on her part."

ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 18:32

Hate is in the mind of the beholder.

That's the law, wims! Mind how ye go!

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ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 18:33

Kinneddar · 21/09/2023 18:17

Speaking as a Police Scotland despatcher all I can say is - this is all we fucking need 🙄🤦🏻‍♀️

I am genuinely sorry for you.

Also because I anticipate vast numbers of people anonymously reporting vast numbers of hate incidents to stress test the system.

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ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 18:34

Waitwhat23 · 21/09/2023 18:10

Mind as well that there is no dwelling defence so comments you make within your own home can be reported.

There's some chilling historical precedence there.

Thoughts that you think in your own home.

There is no definition of what constitues malice.

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EdithStourton · 21/09/2023 18:40

So, let me get this clear.

In Humza's New Order, you can make a genuinely joking comment at a party in your own home to Guest A, and get reported by Guest B for 'hate'? And Plod will at minimum log it and possibly investigate.

Meanwhile, in rural England, a shop gets broken into and Plod doesn't materialise for, ooh, 36 hours or so. Farm equipment is stolen so often that any farmer seeing an unknown vehicle anywhere near his barns immediately gets the jitters (had exactly that a few weeks ago when visiting a friend and he didn't recognise my car). You ring the police begging for a welfare check on a mentally unwell neighbour who is clearly not right and is sporting the sort of bruising that comes from being hit, but no can do.

Fucking hell, what sort of nation have we become?

PriOn1 · 21/09/2023 18:46

Women’s rights protesters have a long history of civil disobedience.

If they bring in ludicrous laws, there will be courageous women who are willing to break them and take the consequences in return for publicity/sunlight.

ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 19:01

EdithStourton · 21/09/2023 18:40

So, let me get this clear.

In Humza's New Order, you can make a genuinely joking comment at a party in your own home to Guest A, and get reported by Guest B for 'hate'? And Plod will at minimum log it and possibly investigate.

Meanwhile, in rural England, a shop gets broken into and Plod doesn't materialise for, ooh, 36 hours or so. Farm equipment is stolen so often that any farmer seeing an unknown vehicle anywhere near his barns immediately gets the jitters (had exactly that a few weeks ago when visiting a friend and he didn't recognise my car). You ring the police begging for a welfare check on a mentally unwell neighbour who is clearly not right and is sporting the sort of bruising that comes from being hit, but no can do.

Fucking hell, what sort of nation have we become?

Yep.

I am not sure if 'looking at someone funny' might count as a non-crime hate incident, given that there's no definition. I presume it would be.

Which presumably means if you look out the window at the wrong moment and someone is passing and takes it the wrong way, it's the STORM protocol and court for you.

And/or anyone, anywhere in the world, can take anything at all that anyone in Scotland posts on social media, say it's a hate fuelled post, and it must be investigated and presumably, recorded.

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ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 19:03

AlisonDonut · 21/09/2023 18:10

What people fail to be seeing here is that the man doesn't have to have been wearing any wig, high heels, or doing any tottering. He just has to think he is being pointed at and laughed at, wearing any clothes, and all he has to say is he interprets someone laughing nearby [about something not related in any way to him] but because he says he is 'trans', he can report it as a hate incident.

I mean, how many times do we have to explain - this is about what a man SAYS. Nothing has to have actually happened but because he SAYS words, whatever he says goes.

Can be reported by a third party.

So any person can report any other person because they think that said person may have been committing a hate crime. Which can be absolutely anything at all.

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ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 19:03

Is there any way at all we can rewind devolution, btw?

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GrouchyKiwi · 21/09/2023 19:04

All this at the same time as Police Scotland is running a "pilot scheme" in the North where they won't be responding to all kinds of reports of crimes.

Absolutely bonkers.

Some crimes will not be investigated in Police Scotland pilot project - BBC News

ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 19:19

'Some minor crimes will no longer be investigated as part of a project being piloted in the north east of Scotland.
Police Scotland said it wants to give officers more time to focus on responding to emergencies and keeping people safe from harm.'

Taggart's new strapline: 'Thur's been a misgender'

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Forester1 · 21/09/2023 19:37

I’m struggling to believe this can be real - such dreadful legislation

Waitwhat23 · 21/09/2023 19:38

And Police Scotland aren't big fans of women generally - it's described as a 'boys club' -

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/04/scottish-police-federation-accused-failing-women

ArabeIIaScott · 22/09/2023 10:00

From that article:

'The lawyer Aamer Anwar alleged the female officers he had worked with “say they were first failed by Police Scotland and then failed by the federation that is supposed to represent them”.'

Anwar is a trustee of TIE and heavily involved in Scottish politics. Scotland is such a tiny pond.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/humza-yousafs-lawyer-aamer-anwar-29366634

Humza Yousaf's lawyer Aamer Anwar wades into same-sex marriage debate

The human rights lawyer has released a statement from the family of Mohammad Asghar, who was placed on death row in Pakistan in January 2014 and whose case was discussed by the SNP leadership contender at a much-scrutinised meeting at Holyrood the foll...

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/humza-yousafs-lawyer-aamer-anwar-29366634

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ghostofadog · 22/09/2023 11:03

This is deeply disturbing, what the hell has happened to Scotland?

ArabeIIaScott · 22/09/2023 11:04

The SNP.

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 22/09/2023 11:24

The hatred of women is chilling.

The oppressive state apparatus has not creamed its collective cock so much since it could persecute women for terminating pregnancies that were the result of rape.

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