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Scottish women - speak up now while you still can.

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ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 12:40

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/police-scotland-set-up-new-30983808

'Police Scotland is setting up a dedicated hate crime unit ahead of Humza Yousaf's hugely controversial new laws coming into force early next year, it can be revealed.
The unit is expected to go live in November and training of the force's 16,400 officers gets underway in December in preparation for the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act being implemented in early 2024. The legislation consolidates existing law and extends protection for vulnerable groups with a new offence of "stirring up hatred".
Under the Act, offences are considered "aggravated" – which could influence sentencing – if they involve prejudice on the basis of age, disability, race, religion, sexual orientation, transgender identity or variations in sex characteristics. Critics fear a disproportionate amount of police time will be diverted into policing toxic gender culture wars, with an over emphasis on "pursuing hurtful words but not violent conduct".
They claim the new laws will also have a "chilling effect" on free speech and warn that campaigners supporting women's rights may find themselves facing accusations of transphobia. Helen Joyce, director of advocacy with human rights group Sex Matters, said: "The establishment of a new, dedicated hate crime unit at Police Scotland sends a sinister message to those who advocate for women's and children's rights.'

Police Scotland set up new unit to tackle 'hate crime' such as misgendering

The dedicated unit will go live in November as Humza Yousaf's hated hate crime laws – which could see people criminalised for what they think or what they say in their own homes – will finally come into effect in 2024

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/police-scotland-set-up-new-30983808

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ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 12:41

'...police chiefs are refusing to confirm how many officers will be attached to the new hate crime unit, or how much has been spent in preparation for the new laws to come into effect.They say their new Core Operational Solutions (COS) – a suite of new national systems which have been rolled out to replace 44 legacy systems and processes with five national applications – is also going to be deployed to "bring to justice those perpetrators of hate against protected people and groups".
Hate crime champions and advisors are also being appointed.'

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ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 12:41

'Police Scotland recorded 64,807 incidents of domestic abuse in 2021-22 but women were excluded by the Scottish Government from the new hate crime laws.'

In case it wasn't clear enough.

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Thelnebriati · 21/09/2023 12:42

There they go, getting ahead of the law again.

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DiabolicalFinial · 21/09/2023 14:36

I wonder if the police in those teams will volunteer for the positions.
It is quite horrifying that the police say blatantly that “Hate crime champions and advisors are also being appointed”. I can think of several men who will be delighted.

ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 14:41

You'd have thought 'Hate Crime Champion' wasn't really something you'd want on your CV, but we are in the upside down these days.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 21/09/2023 14:45

ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 12:41

'Police Scotland recorded 64,807 incidents of domestic abuse in 2021-22 but women were excluded by the Scottish Government from the new hate crime laws.'

In case it wasn't clear enough.

They are bringing in a law against misogyny too, but of course it includes self-identified women.

Likeafurchin · 21/09/2023 14:45

This is chilling.

ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 14:47

'Police Scotland will record all hate crimes and hate incidents in terms of the following definitions:

Hate Incident - Any incident which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated (wholly or partly) by malice and ill-will towards a social group but which does not constitute a criminal offence (non-crime incident).

While it is accepted that not every hate report will amount to criminality, officers are required to take preventative and protective measures even when a non-criminal offence is apparent. Seemingly low level or minor events may in fact have a significant impact on the victim. Crime type alone does not necessarily dictate impact or consequences of the action. Repeated targeting of a person, whether by the same perpetrator or not, can lead to what is known as the ‘drip drip’ effect i.e. although seemingly minor incidents, the repeated nature could affect the person’s ability to cope. Each individual will be affected differently.'

'In Scotland, hate crime / incidents mean any crime or incident where the perpetrator’s actions are motivated wholly or partly, by malice and ill-will towards the individual, on the basis of their actual or presumed disability, race, religion, sexual orientation or transgender identity.

If the perpetrators actions prior to, or immediately after the incident, demonstrates malice and ill-will towards the victim, on the basis of their actual or presumed disability, race, religion, sexual orientation or transgender identity, then this provides evidence of motivation.

Victims of hate crimes / incidents do not have to be a member of any of the above social groups in order to be a victim. For example, an individual who is the victim of a transphobic incident does not have to be transgender, or disclose their transgender identity, for this to be perceived, recorded and investigated as a hate related incident.'

'Hate Crime Online Reports

The online reporting facility is available to all members of the public via the Police Scotland website. These reports are received at Contact Command and Control Division Resolution Team for decryption. Staff within this team then assess the information and decide on the appropriate action to be taken. Victims and witnesses have the opportunity to report crimes anonymously and can specify if and how they wish to be contacted by police. Anonymous reports can assist local policing teams to identify problem areas / times and take action to address local issues.'

Hate Crime
National Guidance

Som to summarise: any person can anonymously report any other person for any action whatsoever that they feel is motivated by 'hate', and Police Scotland are duty bound to investigate.

What could possibly go wrong?!

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Hoardasurass · 21/09/2023 14:53

Well I look forward to arguing in crt that my correctly sexing any man is not a hate crime and is merely my exercising my article 8,9&10 rights under the human rights act. I'll let you know how that goes

JanesLittleGirl · 21/09/2023 15:09

Can anyone remind me how many police officers do Police Scotland expect to lose as a result of reduced funding by SG?

RealityFan · 21/09/2023 15:12

What can happen with the mass demonstrating parents and women in Canada, can also happen in UK.

If the Left think that the only people allowed to express angry sentiments and take to the street are Jocasta and Sebastian in JSO, well, they're gonna be mighty shocked when Karen senior and Karen younger shout "I'm mad as Hell and not going to take it anymore!"

Scottish women arise!

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ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 15:38

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12401331/Scots-old-ageism-hate-crime.html

This is from August, noting that 'ageism' has been added as a pc.

'Under the change, the SNP's own Mhairi Black could fall foul of the legislation. Last week she dismissed those who don't agree with her views on transgender rights as '50-year-old Karens'.'

Scots could face criminal record for calling someone 'grumpy old man'

From next year, the definition of a hate crime will be extended to include threats or abusive language which focus on someone's age.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12401331/Scots-old-ageism-hate-crime.html

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BlessedKali · 21/09/2023 15:41

Fucking hell. unprecedentad in english common law.

I wonder if the people pushing this KNOWS whay theyre doingx or whether they are just fucking idiots.

Hoardasurass · 21/09/2023 15:46

@JanesLittleGirl 2000 over the life of the fixed term.

JanesLittleGirl · 21/09/2023 16:01

Hoardasurass · 21/09/2023 15:46

@JanesLittleGirl 2000 over the life of the fixed term.

Losing 2000 officers but can still set up a dedicated hate crimes team. It's all about priorities.

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lemonraincoat · 21/09/2023 16:08

Scottish women won't stand for this. I think something is going to happen. Are we ready for a revolution yet?

ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 16:20

In 2020, Humza attempted to reassure us by saying that it was fine, because we'd have to go through a court case to get prosecuted or cleared:

'Saying trans women are not women is not going to be an offence under new Stirring up Offences. Only an offence if behaviour is threatening or abusive AND intended to stir up hatred - this has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt in Court'

https://twitter.com/HumzaYousaf/status/1331293151533953024

Which is fine. I'm sure we all look forward to the process of being arrested by police, waiting for court, being tried, crowdfunding and paying for lawyers, and eventually clearing our names for the crime of NOTHING AT ALL BUT SOME RANDOM ANONYMOUS PERSON'S REPORT.

I just can't really get over how mad this actually is.

https://twitter.com/HumzaYousaf/status/1331293151533953024

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ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 16:59

'7. Interim Vulnerable Persons Database
The iVPD is the national database used to record all hate crimes and hate incidents. Recording all incidents, whereby individuals are targeted based on their personal characteristics, allows for a holistic assessment of wellbeing concerns and needs. This includes influencing wider multi-agency investigation, intervention and support tailored to individual needs and preventing repeat victimisation.

The data contained within hate concerns is also used for statistical information and can be utilised by analysts to identify crime patterns, trends and as an indicator of community tensions. A hate concern must be recorded on every occasion.

For further information refer to the Interim VPD Rules, Conventions and Data Input Standards guidance and flow chart in appendix ‘E’.

Police officers and staff must ensure a hate concern is raised in relation to every hate crime or hate incident reported to police. The iVPD must contain sufficient information to allow another police officer or member of staff to conduct further enquires where necessary.

Considerations when raising an iVPD hate concernWhen creating the hate concern form the submitting officer should:
· Indicate if the report refers to an adult or child concern or youth offender.
· Highlight hate concern on the Overview page.
· When entering the nominal details, indicate if a repeat victim.
· Where the person identifies as having a disability, tick the appropriate marker in the nominal field and consider if the person is the victim of a disability prejudice or harassment.
· If the report refers to a child concern, ensure the appropriate Getting it Right For Every Child wellbeing indicators are highlighted.
· Indicate if a crime has been committed within the relevant section of the concern report. This will allow Concern Hub staff to confirm if the incident is a hate crime or hate incident.
· Highlight all appropriate hate aggravators (if more than one protected characteristic has been targeted, then multiple aggravators can be highlighted).
· If the incident relates to a hate crime, in the charge field enter only the crime which was motivated by prejudice behaviour (unless the hate concern also refers to a domestic incident.
· On most occasions the charge recorded on the crime report for the hate element of the incident will match the charge recorded on the hate concern form, however due to crime recording counting rules this may not always be possible. The hate crime charge should always be accurately recorded on the hate concern form and if different from the crime report, the rationale for the variance should be captured in the incident details field of the hate concern form.
· In the incident field, detail who perceived the incident to be hate related, why they perceived it to be so and what, if any impact there has been on them, their family or the wider community.
· If the offender is traced, mark the report as detected and create a perpetrator to the incident.
· A hate concern must be created and the police officer / staff entered as a subject of concern in all instances where the victim is a police officer or member of police staff.
· Where there is a named suspect or an unknown suspect who is identified, cautioned and charged at a later date, ensure the iVPD is updated accordingly.

It is the responsibility of the enquiry officer to ensure that all relevant information is contained within the hate concern form. Once the concern form is complete, it should be sent on to a supervising officer to ensure all relevant information is contained within the iVPD. If all local checks have been completed, the supervising officer should forward the hate concern form to the Concern Hub to be triaged.'

How long is it going to take to record each anonymous report of misgendering?

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ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 16:59

And is it really a good idea to keep a list/database of 'vulnerable persons'?

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ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 17:05

'On some occasions, Police Scotland may receive a large number of reports relating to one incident. Previous examples of this include the Scottish Referendum, football matches or comments made by high profile public figures, including social media comments. Initially you should deal with such reports as detailed above however if it becomes obvious that the number of reports is high, then it may be that it is not appropriate to raise individual STORM incidents for all reports.'

Maybe! 😂

Brace yoursels, Polis.

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ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 17:08

This is the really crucial bit:

'Malice and ill-will

Understanding malice and ill-will is important to understanding the extent of the hate. The term hate implies a high degree of animosity, whereas the definition and the legislation require that the crime must be demonstrated or motivated (wholly or partly) by malice and ill-will.

(In the absence of a precise legal definition of malice and ill-will, consideration should be given to the ordinary dictionary definition, to wish someone harm).

Perception

For recording purposes, the perception of the victim or any other person is the defining factor in determining whether an incident is a hate incident or in recognising the malice element of a crime. The perception of the victim should always be explored, however they do not have to justify or provide evidence of their belief and police officers or staff members should not directly challenge this perception. Evidence of malice and ill-will is not required for a hate crime or hate incident to be recorded and thereafter investigated as a hate crime or hate incident by police.'

If you were going to try and write 'thought crime' out, this is what you'd say, isn't it?

(All above excerpted from the guidance, I linked to upthread. Bolding all mine.)

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