Canadian politicians finally backing down on blindly supporting LGBT+ policies

[MapleTerfLady]

As a Canadian mother... It's about damn time!

Canadian politicians stampeding away from policy of concealing gender transitions from parents

Our politicians were duped to a quite unbelievable level. They seem to be playing catch up to the power of social media, are constantly running scared, not knowing how quickly the wind changes direction online. We need grown ups in the room again and I'm not sure I'll ever forgive Labour for making themselves seem unelectable against the government we've had especially in 'the Cameron and Boris era'.

And this x 100.

And yes @literalviolence I honestly can't believe that a country I admired like Canada has changed so completely. I don't even recognise it anymore when I read the news. It is not the country I remember.

Labour aren't unelectable, though. I know a week is a long time in politics, never mind 15 months, but Labour are very likely to win the next GE (have you seen the bookies' odds?!)

So we'll have to go through years and years more of this crap

I just really wonder how this became so entrenched so bloody quickly?

And why politicians haven't cottoned on to the fact that people who are on this march are not anti LGB (in the main obviously the TRAs will always point to a person in the crowd), but are concerned about the impact of these laws on children and women.

What the fuck is wrong with the politicians and the media that they are not seeing this?

Yes I didn't explain that well but I don't know if I will ever trust them enough again to vote for them. They have shown their misogyny so openly and flagrantly on this issue. They're not 'better' than the Tories they're just different in how they express their contempt for women.

It's just stunned me. All of it. Because if Tory misogyny looked like the creepy drunk uncle who pats your backside and calls you darling the Labour misogyny looks like guys with beards calling themselves feminists then setting your workplace on fire and punching you in the face. It's the gaslighting that is the hardest thing.

The mainstream media are playing a dangerous game. By not covering this properly, they are giving the right wing a gift. I am so angry with the left.

Oh, I agree.

I think a lot of these people in the marches are completely protected, mentally, against those kinds of accusations.

But I still worry. The town I work in is hardly the big city, it's a small, post-industrial town, with a high religious population, pretty conservative.

But many of the "regular" people, particularly those over about 45, still get the majority of their news from the mainstream media.

And they are not seeing the images of these protests, they are hearing "hate group," and most of them don't believe that these materials could actually be in schools. Because that would be crazy.

The CBC is being very canny in not showing how large these protests are.

It's maybe also significant that pretty much without exception, organizations for gay and lesbian people are taking the same line. And they are regarded as the "experts". Now, I have plenty of friends in that group who are seriously against all this stuff, but the fact is that most of them are completely disengaged from any kind of lgb groups and have been for many years. As far as the general public is concerned, these people don't exist.

I see Jagmeet Singh chose the dumpster fire of siding with the Unions against parents over the dumpster fire of Trudeau's announcement yesterday about the Indian government, he needs to grow a spine.

Not likely. This is a man who cried on camera because someone said something mean in Parliament.

I am absolutely incensed at the misrepresentation or lack of media coverage.
I looked up Canada news on the BBC and got Canada's Drag Race news - nothing about the march!
The media are leading, controlling and distorting the truth.

What the fuck is wrong with the politicians and the media that they are not seeing this?

Something along the lines of: It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding

So, the Canadian media is funded by the Canadian government, and if the CBC only reports on the counter-protesters, or films the Million March once most have dispersed, and it is a mouthpiece of the Canadian government...who is paying the politicians to look away?

Yep.

You can fool some of the people, some of the time, but at a certain point people are going to ask, 'gosh, I wonder why quite so many parents seem to be suddenly fascists, that seems a bit odd', and then they will wonder what the fuss is about, and they will eventually work their way to 'why are these lying bastards lying to me'.

And here we are.

This doesn't look so bad actually

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2265477187544

Gosh other than the headline about it being about LBGTQA rights (which it isn't), that is quite balanced.

Just so frightening how Canada has sought to control its population by making teachers have more power than parents and that it thinks that that is progressive.

State controlled children should be everyone's concern that's not a democratic position, at all.

Don’t the media and politicians realise that once the majority of the population realise the emperor has no clothes on, then they lose whatever credibility they have remaining? If they can’t be trusted to state and report basic facts, then why would anyone trust them with the more complex issues? And then once people start looking for alternative sources of information they enter the Wild West of social media and all bets are off…

It’s not just Canada obviously, but that statement from Trudeau missed the point in an astounding fashion.

Yes, it's a dangerous game. Undermining faith and trust in the media and government is not a way to foster a healthy democracy.

Interesting to hear different versions of how many people from each ‘side’ attended the marches. Rowan Jette Knox had this to say about the turnout in Toronto.

I’d be surprised if there was a huge difference between Toronto and Ottawa in terms of the public feeling on this issue, but I don’t know much about culture and politics in Canadian cities so maybe some Canadian MNers will have some insight on this.

You said what I was thinking in a far more elegant and concise way! I agree and it’s a worrying trend for western democratic societies in general as it’s not just this issue which is being used to do the undermining.

The proportion of "Likes" to "Views" on Trudeau's tweet is telling.

Surely someone close to him politically is having a word in his shell-like? Or is this par for the course with reaction to Trudeau's batshit gaslighting pronouncements?

"Let me make one thing very clear: Transphobia, homophobia, and biphobia have no place in this country. We strongly condemn this hate and its manifestations, and we stand united in support of 2SLGBTQI+ Canadians across the country – you are valid and you are valued."

Currently:
Views = 10,800,000
Likes = 69,500

https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1704554429746397458

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@ArabeIIaScott

Yes I wonder too why the determination to keep up the lies so much. There has to be money involved! I do not pretend to some kind of political genius. I certainly do not have any right to take any kind of high ground. I was definitely second guessing myself at a point in my life because so many important people in my life were telling me I was a terrible prejudiced person that I started playing the woke game at one point.

I really started to believe that I must be an evil prejudiced person and figured maybe if I said trans women are women enough maybe the feedings of "I really don't want them in my bathroom." Would go away but it didn't it just grew stronger and I felt more lonely and angry.

But I found my bravery again when JK Rowling did her podcast. She gave me the gift of my confidence back again. I decided I would be brave enough to be the witch even if it was only quietly until I was ready to speak out.

Thank God for JK Rowling.

But I am pretty concerned by the level of the media's corruption. There is something dark afoot.

https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1704624860536648183

And the ratios on these posts are interesting.

https://twitter.com/globeandmail/status/1704509364898349084

That was interesting. The way he spoke.

'There is a line drawn around children. Ideologies should be taught at home. Our children are young, I am young, I have the rest of my life to fight for this.'

So basically hands off my kids, this is my job, not yours, and I'm not going anywhere.

The interesting bit, to me, was him saying ideologies should be taught at home.

I'd like to see the state, or the opposition, structure a counter argument around that.

Freedom of belief and freedom of speech is at the very root of it. I'd like to see them say, out loud, that parents specifically. shouldn't have it.

Also, despite the absolutely industrial whitewashing of this ideology, people still see it motivated by sex.

Yes, it's identifying 'genderism' as a belief/ideology that we are not all in agreement with and don't all share, that I think is critical.

It has been handed down as a decree that nobody can question.

That can't stand.

This'll help with sunlight.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1704747213736292828