Who has most disappointed you?

[Calistano]

I'd say Russell T Davies when he had his drunken rant. I get his concern that lgbt is being fractured. But his absent concern for Women and their rights was palpable. I honestly thought he had more sense.

Oh yes. Eddie Izzard.
I’ m trying so hard to just ignore his post-2000 output. It’s not working, sadly. I still love The Starwars Canteen though.
Is there a sliver of a chance he might come to his senses?

Ditto Rage Against The Machine.
And now you do what they tell you.

Pullman, Roberts and fucking Brian Cox?? Nooo.
Anyway, they really really ought to know better. I really hope they do, in real reality.

I gave up listening to the TRIP over their hand wavy it’s no big issue you silly wims attitude. It’s frankly embarrassing to still be trying to pretend it’s some kind of tiny niche issue

(I suspect Tom & Dominic on TRIH are more on the terfy side)

@PermanentTemporary
Kathleen Hanna doesn't surprise me. Over 25 years ago, my tiny non mention band played with Bikini Kill. We weren't sure about the venue as the promoter was known to be sleazy and a rip off merchant. But playing with the great Bikini Kill was too much to knock back. So we played and it was great. Then Mr Sleazebag Promoter was nowhere to be found with our money . He was eventually found ( with Kathleen) and ripped us off. Yes she was aware of it and yes she apparently spend the night with him.
Middle class college type who talks the big talk but chose to ignore working class women getting ripped off.

I think we're allowed to have a bit of strop now and again... It's also reasonable to ask people to engage their bloody brains before supporting the needless medicalisation of children and the destruction of women's rights.

In my case,
FUCKING LIBERAL FUCKING DEMOCRATS
Bunch of evasive weasels who wouldn't answer a single important, well-phrased and rational question.

They're drunk on Kool-Aid.

And just all the institutions who rolled over to have their tummies tickled by the nice transactivists. My trust in them has been minced up into tiny little pieces and will probably never recover.
BBC
NHS
Various universities
And so on.

'broadly pretty relaxed" about transpeople and don't think it's a mainstream issue. Wrote it off in one sentence, didn't seem to have grasped the big picture at all.'

'Broadly pretty relaxed', despite him saying that lots of women had sent messages asking them to get their heads out of their arses. Well that's lovely. So either they are scared to engage with the issue, or they're just not motivated to give it any thought because hey, it's only women 😡

I’m mostly disappointed to see how MRAs have been given a shiny coat of paint and suddenly everyone who isn’t some hideous, old witch* is all for violence against, abuse toward and removal of protections for women and girls.

”Do better” indeed.

*paraphrasing

Anyone who thinks this issue affects only 'a minority'.
No, it's affects 51% of the population plus a minority.

Few disappointments I wasn't aware of; Goldacre, Cox, Roberts (bloody hell!) etc.

Couldn't help hearing the thread title in the voice of Joyce Grenfell, though! 😁

Margaret Attwood and Alice Roberts have given me serious "Are we the baddies?" moments.

@AgathaAllAlong Explaining so nicely how we should all ‘properly’ do the appropriate amount and manner of disappointment 🙄 No, women are being asked to police themselves and not commit wrongthink more than enough already.

This disappointment goes deep and those who inspire it are everywhere. Naming it is a part of speaking the truth.

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0gThe bit about having a trans-identifying son or daughter applies to a good many people mentioned above

Thanks for raising this. I have noticed it a number of times.

I never thought I would not want to read The Guardian. That's certainly my entity.

I'm 33. There's a cohort of women 5 to 10 years younger that I encounter who often have a default position that hasn't been thought through and harms & disadvantages other women.

Individual? Too many to mention.

I think we should rename this thread The Andrex Roll Of Shame...
Not so soft (damn harsh, actually), strong, and very long.

All of these

Plus my STBXH, 3 of my 4 adult children (the only straight one!), my extended family and all the big Charities. Luckily the family still talk to me but it can be awfully lonely. Friends my age mostly think it's all rubbish.

He is very much not in favour of women who disagree that trans women are women speaking their minds.

Meh at "unhelpful". Changing your opinion about someone based on their stated views on a subject is neither helpful or unhelpful, it's just an opinion.

I'm particularly disappointed by those who don't just stay silent (mea culpa and all that, being someone who has to professionally be very careful), but enthusiastically stick the aul jackboot in while calling other people facists.

The narrative that you "hate" transpeople is so bloody lazy. No, we just don't think they actually change sex, and I truly believe so do 99.9% of those that are happy to chuck women's sex based rights under any passing bus.

Alice Roberts and her fellow humanists and sceptics really do take the award for their startling ability to condemn old-fashioned organised religion while lapping up a brand new one. So logical. Such science.

Well this thread is both cathartic and depressing.

It's all of them. For being fucking thick or fucking cowards.

Guardian newspaper
Independent newspaper
London theatres with their gender neutral toilets

Clara Vulliamy, children's author and illustrator, who appears to have orchestrated a campaign against Rachel Rooney, which ended up with Rachel giving up her career as a writer.

From what I've seen she's a vile, attention seeking bully.

THIS

I don't mind 'am I a baddy' moments, I think they're useful and probably necessary to keep checking and testing one's beliefs/assertions/thoughts.

I'd actually far prefer it to be true that I was paranoid/bigoted/stupid than the converse, which is that women's rights are being dismantled, children are being encouraged onto damaging medical pathways, etc.

The trouble with this issue is that every time we are proved correct it's depressing, rather than affirming.

I cant say I have been disappointed by anyone who happens to be in the news or have a name. I wouldn't expect them to be someone I would look to in terms of my politics. And certainly not on feminist issues.

But as others have said, I am not just disappointed but deeply disillusioned by what has happened to many women's groups. Especially those who are directly providing services for or campaigning against violence against women.

But on the other hand I also recognise that if women fail to engage with groups (some of whom dont make it easy!) it is perhaps no surprise that opportunists and those with a strategy to capture women's issues have been so easily able to colonise organisations that only started because women realised that it was only other women who could provide the support and analysis that women suffering male violence needed.

@Cancelledcurio well now. Thank you for sharing. It seems to be much more about who's in her gang than about actual feminism.

Arabella, just wait for the cognitive dissonance when these very individuals recant (as the whole house of cards falls), claiming either they were misled, never really believed in it, it can't be proved they were an ally, no flies on them.

They will seamlessly link from full on allies or marked silence, to nothing to do with me guv, nothing to see here.

It'll be like a Derren Brown extravaganza, you'll doubt your very sanity as the plausible denial tumbles thru.

I'm expecting a lot of loud silence. I think we're already getting it to an extent.

Most people were silent anyway, I suppose.

I think Brian Cox keeps quiet because his wife is as GC as they come and his work partner (Robin Ince) is a frothing TWAW MRA.

I have a lot more sympathy for those with trans-identifying children, as the urge to protect your kids is ferocious, and they’ve been peddled that “otherwise they’ll kill themselves” bullshit from all the Mermaids captured organisations.

But those for whom science is their lives? What the hell are they thinking?