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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Who has most disappointed you?

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Calistano · 18/09/2023 14:11

I'd say Russell T Davies when he had his drunken rant. I get his concern that lgbt is being fractured. But his absent concern for Women and their rights was palpable. I honestly thought he had more sense.

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RoyalCorgi · 14/09/2024 13:15

lonelywater · 13/09/2024 00:10

Janina Ramirez-was amazed to find she is a Kool aid guzzler.

I was disappointed too. Imagine writing a whole book about women in the middle ages and then saying that you think men can be women. Nuts.

CurlewKate · 14/09/2024 13:20

Interesting that Brian Cox is much less visible than he used to be. It may be that he's decided he's got enough money, but his wife was very vocally gc for a while.

MarieDeGournay · 14/09/2024 15:18

Christine of Christine and the Queens [Héloïse Adélaïde Letissier - so many diacritics for one person!]

She was a very original and inventive performer and unconventional female songwriter. Her performance at Glastonbury 2019 was brilliant [as was Stormzy's that year, both fantastic when I saw them on TV, not live alas].

She was a different and fresh and original woman in music, and there aren't too many of them around.

Now he's a bloke.

SulisMinerva · 14/09/2024 17:11

lonelywater · 13/09/2024 00:10

Janina Ramirez-was amazed to find she is a Kool aid guzzler.

Same…so disappointing. I tried to read her book on the saints and it just jarred too much.

RaspberryParade · 14/09/2024 21:34

Calistano · 18/09/2023 14:11

I'd say Russell T Davies when he had his drunken rant. I get his concern that lgbt is being fractured. But his absent concern for Women and their rights was palpable. I honestly thought he had more sense.

The male sex and the women pandering.

Ingenieur · 14/09/2024 22:04

For me, Matt Dillahunty, of The Atheist Experience.

His schtick regarding religion was always that i) extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, ii) you should care that the opinions you hold are true, and iii) your beliefs should be founded in evidence.

That he fell so deeply for the genderbollocks was so disappointing, he couldn't hold that nonsense to the same standard he held his religious beliefs.

duc748 · 14/09/2024 22:06

These obvious logic fails are a feature, aren't they?

Delphinium20 · 14/09/2024 23:31

I wrote on this earlier but a recent event has changed mine remark about Margaret Atwood to someone else. My best friend. Her son believes he's a woman and my friend, who struggled with his mental illness for years has chosen now to support him fully in using women's changing rooms and restrooms. He's built like a sumo wrestler and she thinks any woman or girl who has a problem with him is a bigot. She used to be a feminist.

EtiennePalmiere · 15/09/2024 10:08

Another for Margaret Atwood, I loved her books for giving a voice to women. Ha!

ditalini · 15/09/2024 10:55

Ingenieur · 14/09/2024 22:04

For me, Matt Dillahunty, of The Atheist Experience.

His schtick regarding religion was always that i) extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, ii) you should care that the opinions you hold are true, and iii) your beliefs should be founded in evidence.

That he fell so deeply for the genderbollocks was so disappointing, he couldn't hold that nonsense to the same standard he held his religious beliefs.

Yes, it's so odd that so many so-called sceptics lapped up the new religion (cf Alice Roberts and Robin Ince).

PermanentTemporary · 15/09/2024 11:03

I'm finding Naomi Klein disappointing ATM. I'm reading Doppelganger and she is writing lots of interesting points that make sense if applied to this issue, but she absolutely will not go there. And to say 'I don't understand that kind of feminism' when asked about it in the UK was pathetic tbh. Of course you could understand it, even if you disagree, or more likeky think it's a distraction from climate change which she thinks is more important (i think it's linked) you just refuse to.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 15/09/2024 11:09

The Potter crowd, Philip Pullman, Neil Gaiman (who has turned out to be an arsehole in multiple ways), Ben Goldacre. Many of the others are people or institutions I had no liking for in the first place tbh.

I expect some of my lovely (teaching) colleagues would disappoint me, but it's not a conversation I'd be prepared to have at work unless I felt I had to, so I don't know.

FranticFrankie · 15/09/2024 11:30

Zelle70 · 13/09/2024 17:41

Oh easy. I had a favourite author, Anna Stephens, and I championed her to all I met, bought all her books and love her style of writing. She posted a photo on FB wearing that awful 'You'll Have To Go Through Me' T-shirt re protecting trans children.
Very civilly, I replied to her post urging her to read the Cass Review and visit WRN and/or Sex Matters websites to see how the Trans movement was misogynistic, homophobic and child abuse.

She replied saying she'd 'rather put her hands in a blender' than do that and said the Cass review had been debunked. Then lots of 'allies' jumped on the thread and I left. She then found and blocked me on X, hilarious!

Rather put her hands in a blender eh?
I hate exaggerations like this. I’m sure she wouldn’t so why say it?
Not big and not clever
Neither is the wearing of that t-shirt

VWdieselnightmare · 15/09/2024 15:09

RaspberryParade · 14/09/2024 21:34

The male sex and the women pandering.

And yet lesbian friends of mine who live down the road from him in Swansea still think he's wonderful, despite having seen that rant. I despair.

Womanofcustard · 15/09/2024 15:52

IcakethereforeIam · 18/09/2023 14:47

I started a mental list; the Guardian, the Labour Party, Dara O'Briain, then I realised it was too long. When I realised I was grateful that people I genuinely admired were safely dead so they couldn't disappoint me, it makes me so sad. I'm not disappointed that they care for transpeople, I'm disappointed that they don't seem to give a toss about women and have totally lost their faculty for critical thinking. Cowards, liars and fools, all of them.

Exactly the same here!

WhereAreWeNow · 15/09/2024 20:10

MarieDeGournay · 14/09/2024 15:18

Christine of Christine and the Queens [Héloïse Adélaïde Letissier - so many diacritics for one person!]

She was a very original and inventive performer and unconventional female songwriter. Her performance at Glastonbury 2019 was brilliant [as was Stormzy's that year, both fantastic when I saw them on TV, not live alas].

She was a different and fresh and original woman in music, and there aren't too many of them around.

Now he's a bloke.

I was disappointed by Christine too. And Kate Tempest. Cool lesbian musicians end up as self-conscious enbies/transmen.

MarieDeGournay · 15/09/2024 20:43

WhereAreWeNow · 15/09/2024 20:10

I was disappointed by Christine too. And Kate Tempest. Cool lesbian musicians end up as self-conscious enbies/transmen.

And Chappell Roan - lesbian, and totally TWAW and a fan of drag.

WhereAreWeNow · 15/09/2024 21:49

That's depressing @MarieDeGournay
My DD is really into Chappell Roan.

TrainedByCats · 15/09/2024 22:21

Margaret Atwood and Philip Pullman, both have written books that suggest they really should get this and yet they behave otherwise.

TrainedByCats · 15/09/2024 22:22

Oh and Sandi Toksvig

CyclingSam · 15/09/2024 23:12

Claudine.
You wouldn't know her, she's a friend.

BeverlyBrook · 22/09/2024 08:22

Matthew Syed has finally made a stand. Took him bloody long enough. After all the heavy lifting has already been done.

If you think we’re past peak woke, we may not even be halfway up that hill

www.thetimes.com/article/6c40303d-4678-4c27-a9d5-3ee229523cb1?shareToken=08772d1a11c957841459c7766ee4d33e

RoyalCorgi · 22/09/2024 09:57

BeverlyBrook · 22/09/2024 08:22

Matthew Syed has finally made a stand. Took him bloody long enough. After all the heavy lifting has already been done.

If you think we’re past peak woke, we may not even be halfway up that hill

www.thetimes.com/article/6c40303d-4678-4c27-a9d5-3ee229523cb1?shareToken=08772d1a11c957841459c7766ee4d33e

Syed has written about this before - it's not the first time. But my feeling is that he's rarely as direct as he might be about the problems inherent in pretending men can be women.

Runsyd · 22/09/2024 10:28

WinterTrees · 18/09/2023 14:43

Friends. Many of whom are actually authors, and are caught in the liberal arts bubble, but who should also be critical thinkers capable of seeing beyond superficial soundbites. Yet that's what I hear from them in lieu of any argument - 'most oppressed', 'be kind', 'culture war', 'Christian far right'. I am bitterly disappointed by their credulity and apparently wilful ignorance.

Their next contract depends on it.

annejumps · 22/09/2024 14:02

MarieDeGournay · 15/09/2024 20:43

And Chappell Roan - lesbian, and totally TWAW and a fan of drag.

Roan recently said she wouldn't endorse a US presidential candidate. 'Asked about the change she wants to see in the US, she responded: “Trans rights. They cannot have cis people making decisions for trans people, period.”'