MAFS - first transgender bride.

[SamW98]

Is this really fair on the groom who has gone onto the show to meet a woman and is matched with a TW without his knowledge until after the ceremony?

I know some will say it’s only a reality tv show but surely if the groom thinks he’s being matched with a woman, this is wrong.

A highly contrived "reality" show.

I think the narrative C4 keep pushing (like with First Dates, and I assume this) will be that the man is surprised that the woman is actually trans, essentially there is no difference between women and trans women. I doubt there will be a reaction of "yeah, it was obvious".

Also it would seem that Channel 4 thought that this would make good TV, by having a man shocked to find out that his wife is trans and then for a (presumably) happy ending, or if it fails just call the man transphobic.

But then someone must have told the channel that this actually constitutes sex by deception, so now they've had to say that everyone knew in advance and that it was all acted, otherwise they would be in a lot of legal trouble.

Channel 4's attempt at tabloid shock has backfired.

It is not the same as a shit TV show confecting drama by withholding information. Calling this gaslighting cheapens the meaning of the word.
Take my word from somebody who has been there, it is gaslighting.

Interesting to see the change in the DM article compared with when I first read it earlier. Then it used the term "assigned male at birth", now it simply states "born male".

Once ordinary men (not TWAW beardy blokes) start seeing this nonsense affecting them it will hopefully speed up the return to normality. The only problem is that it's not a show watched by many men.

Channel 4: we’ve matched up bloke A who was looking for a romantic relationship with a woman with bloke B who has had loads of cosmetic surgery but didn’t tell bloke A. Tee hee!

Anyone normal: OMG that’s incredibly unethical, what the fuck Channel 4?

Channel 4: oh all right, we knew it was unethical too but wanted to pretend it wasn’t so we lied to you. Calm down

Jesus

I wonder if the husband-to-be was told he was being partnered with a transwoman but didn’t know what that meant.

Either he thought it meant a woman who was transitioning to be a man, as many do.

Or he had very limited understanding of the profound differences between female and male bodies.

Either way, the number of men who have become women is zero

if a man is attracted to women and trusts an organisation to match him up with a potential romantic partner (leaving aside the question of why you would do that to yourself), they should be matching him up with a woman, not attempting some sort of forced conversion to homosexuality

OP it would be useful if you could read even just the headline to this article before getting all worked up.

And it would be useful if you actually read the whole thread where the fact the article has been changed significantly since it was first published has been addressed.

The original link said the groom had no idea.

This is turning into a Mumsnet classic ‘cancel the cheque!’ Thread

fun times

I do feel a bit sorry for people like this, to be honest.

The reality is that, even if they aren't fazed by a trans person's body (which will never quite be the same as the body they are trying to emulate), most men want children.

There's a difference between forming a long term relationship with a woman and then discovering that she is unable to bear children and deciding to go down a different route such as adoption, or simply make your peace with not having them, and choosing to start a relationship with someone you know can never bear children, because they are biologically male.

I dislike saying this because there are some women who know they are completely infertile, such as women with MRKH syndrome, who probably have to reveal this to new partners at quite an early stage in their relationship. Those women can and do find partners, but I imagine it is something which could make dating more stressful.

Trans women face the double whammy of being obviously unable to bear children and also having physical differences. Obviously that is going to restrict their dating pool quite a lot, and it's unrealistic to pretend otherwise. (I have come across a seemingly straight man who says he would be OK with dating a trans woman, but he doesn't ever want children.)

I imagine the most common outcome for trans people is that they end up dating other trans people.

Oh how tiresome.

Do better, Daily Mail!

There are a lot of actual women who are addicted to cosmetic procedures and surgeries, now. I've always been a little oblivious, have to say - but my hair stylist was telling me yesterday that 95% of her friendship group have had at least 'some work' done: teeth, botox, fillers, tatooed on lips and eyebrows, breast implants, liposuction.

Many are now travelling abroad for procedures and there are some awful stories about things that have gone wrong. My stylist was saying she had a woman in the salon last week whose friend had been to Turkey for breast implants. She woke up after the surgery with pain and swelling on her lower back. The surgeon told her some tale about why she'd been cut there.

When she got home the pain got worse and so she went to her GP who had sent her for a scan, at which she was told that a kidney had been removed.

It is quite common for actual women to look not too disimilar from that TW. Obviously little things, like gait, hands, feet and waist hip ratios give the truth away - but a lot of women look as much like a drag queen as a drag queen does. highly sexualised clothing, mega high heels, tons of make-up, trout pout.

This is what happens when femininity becomes a marketing tool and a product you can buy. When people attempt to look like a barbie doll with exaggerated everything. A comic book persona. A construction.

Men tend to be far more visual and can get fixated more easily on certain female body parts and features ( hence greater tendencies to fetishism). I've found men often cannot tell if someone has had implants. They jut see the superficial package and presentation and respond to that.

But beyond superficialities heterosexual men are attracted to actual women - not just to body parts - certainly if they want a relationship, anyway. Most men don't actually like 'fake' - beyond the initial thrill.

the majority of heterosexual people enter into a relationship with the reasonable expectation that they may conceive a child with their partner at some point if it all works out

at the risk of stating the bleeding obvious, two men will not be conceiving a child together

I really can’t believe that channel 4 need a recap on where babies come from

I dated a guy a few years ago with daughters in their 20’s. Both had regular Botox, lip fillers, fake breasts, hair extensions etc. The younger of the two very rarely went out and had never had a bf yet spent a significant portion of her salary on cosmetic procedures.
Last photo I saw of her, I had to do a double take as her face has changed so much that I didn’t even recognise her. She was an attractive girl to start with but now just looks like like a blow up doll with exaggerated features and an expressionless face.

Not having watched the programme... is there an expectation that the couples will consummate their "marriages" at some point (off screen that is)

So the Daily Mail's woke sister paper The Metro now has an article

https://metro.co.uk/2023/09/14/married-at-first-sight-went-extra-mile-for-trans-bride-ella-morgan-clark-19494616/?ico=mosaic_home

Clearly Channel 4 are attempting to change the narrative from what they probably originally leaked, I wonder if there has been last minute editing to the show?

Yes they’re pretty much encouraged to have a full relationship as if they were actually a couple. There’s usually a sex expert who gives them tasks to improve intimacy

It does seem C4 were keen on the viewers believing the groom had no idea his bride was a TW and have hastily cobbled together an ever changing narrative after the story originally broke.

The sex expert could have bitten off more than they can chew when they have to explain dilation to the groom.

I'm glad that at least behind the scenes the TV show recognised the need for informed consent (which makes them ABSOLUTE TERFS not that they'll realise).

Sounds like the TW was fully on board with the fake storyline and thrilled with it all. The big shock revelation pretends nobody could tell. V validating.

I feel very, very sorry for the TW however. 20 is still extremely young to transition. Sure they may have retained some sexual function, but they didn't give their brain an opportunity to fully mature. They must have grown up with some awful ideas on gender stereotypes; their current body looks extremely painful to inhabit. I thought their line about not wanting to be anybody's "dirty secret" was unintentionally revealing. The true dirty secret was presumably growing up as an effeminate gay boy in an environment which did not accept that.

Our society's love of gender stereotyping on the left and right has a lot to answer for. It's making a lot of money out of guys like this and the many women who emulate that look.