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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Róisín Murphy 2

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WarriorN · 13/09/2023 16:58

New thread as lots of deeper discussions going on

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ArabeIIaScott · 04/11/2023 02:39

Good to see Jools Holland!

PaperWalkAndTalk · 04/11/2023 10:07

Biffology · 04/11/2023 02:36

This is a woman who was a babe-in-arms, when Roisin was in Moloko. There's a place for tolerance of youthful arrogance but there's also a place for people like me, who have been in Roisin's audience for many years, to say 'I don't attach the same value to your opinion as I do to Roisin's opinion', to people like CMAT.

I don't like the forced grouping of "queer" people.

Has this artist spoken to any of the queer detransitioners who were put on a path of gender transition to "cure" them of their homosexuality?

Many people are fearing of this trend to trans the gay away, and gay people are particularly fearful of it.

Biffology · 04/11/2023 10:38

@PaperWalkAndTalk

Hi,

It's how these people work - they like to make out that they're a 'spokesperson' as this suggests that they carry a lot of authority. A tactic often used by bullies.

Just behind that #benice facade, lies threats and intimidation, which we need to be alert to and push back against. These people always have a selfish agenda.

That girl's comments make it clear that she endorses misogyny, as that was what motored the anger - that misogyny was all over Twitter at the time.

Just to put the cherry on top, she says she thinks Roisin Murphy 'needs to read a book'. Roisin is dyslexic, so that comment qualifies as hate speech ; following the snide methods of the 'woke' hand-book, she now deserves to be cancelled.

Biffology · 04/11/2023 13:16

Let’s not forget that since these ‘influential people’ flounced off, Róisín has become more popular.

Maybe these folk were holding her back ?

duc748 · 11/11/2023 21:57

On Jools Holland now.

ArabeIIaScott · 11/11/2023 22:11

duc748 · 11/11/2023 21:57

On Jools Holland now.

Good to hear.

duc748 · 11/11/2023 22:43

Well I glad I stayed in tonight and saw that. I can't stand Jools, but he had one or two decent guests.

MarieDeGournay · 05/02/2024 10:50

An update- there's a very positive and warm review of Róisín Murphy's recent gig in Dublin in the Irish Times on 04/02, by Siobhán Kane.
Róisín Murphy review: Gifted performer takes crowd on immersive trip through her eclectic musical DNA
It's behind a paywall, but I can report that it's about her music and her performance, and there's no mention of ...The Other Thing... So it looks like she's back to being judged on her merits. That said, there may be a pile-on in response to the review, but the review itself is good news.
And her song with Moloko, Sing It Back, is currently being used in a recycling ads on Irish telly.. redemption or wha?☺

ArabeIIaScott · 05/02/2024 10:51

Good luck to her!

fromorbit · 05/02/2024 11:12

Stay strong and just keep going and the mob can't touch you if you are big enough. Similar recent stuff:

BBC Radio Newcastle - Kelly Scott on BBC Radio Newcastle, 20/01/2024, Moloko voicalist Roisin Murphy chats about her new single and successful solo career

Interview in Irish Times a few days earlier:

Life couldn’t get any better, as she says. But it was about to get a lot worse.

Just a few months after walking through Arklow on top of the world, the former Moloko frontwoman became entangled in a debate about trans rights, cancel culture and the fury women are subjected to on the internet. That August a Twitter user shared screenshots of comments she had made on her private Facebook account about the use of puberty blockers by transgender children.

The leaked remarks spread like a bushfire on social media. The singer has a lot of LGTBQ+ fans; many were taken aback and wondered if it was a hoax. It was not. Several days later Murphy commented publicly for the first time.

“I’ve spent my whole life celebrating diversity and different views ... I am so sorry my comments have been directly hurtful to many of you ... I understand fixed views are not helpful but I really hope people can understand my concern was out of love for all of us.” She said that she would “now completely bow out of this conversation within the public domain ... My true calling is music and music will never exclude any of us.”

If she hoped to put the matter to rest, she had miscalculated. A review of Hit Parade in the Guardian was headlined “A masterful album with an ugly stain”. On August 31st Fader Magazine reported that Ninja Tune would cease promoting Hit Parade. The BBC seemed to have stopped playing her music. (The Spectator magazine defended Murphy, calling the Guardian’s review shameful.)

[ Róisín Murphy: Hit Parade - Joyful songs about not taking life for granted ]

It was a challenging time. But then Hit Parade became her highest-charting LP in the UK, peaking at number five. (In Ireland it reached number 11.) That momentum has carried through to 2024. “The ticket sales have been the best they’ve ever been for me on this tour,” says Murphy, who is playing two sold-out nights at 3Olympia in Dublin this weekend. “That’s including Moloko and everything. That’s a good sign.”

Looking back, how does she feel about the controversy? “It was a bit of a weird one.” She is still sensitive about the subject and keen to move on – even when politely pressed. “Here I am. Months later, going off on tour. And I’m pretty good. I’m in a good place.”

She acknowledges that becoming caught up in an internet controversy is a strange experience. “It’s like you’re looking at a big board. Nodes lighting up in that corner. And then a few nodes lighting in up that corner. And suddenly it’s spreading and you can’t control [it]. But that’s the nature of the internet. You have to take the good with the bad. And the good for me has been good. I’m happy to take the bad, I think, in a way, with the good.”

Did she worry that, after the dust settled, she might not have a career?

“Mate, are you really going to ask endless questions about this?” she says. (We had said that we would need to ask about the controversy but didn’t intend to dwell on it.) “I have a whole career to talk about – not just five minutes last year. I 100 per cent don’t want to talk about it.”

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20240203085452/www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/2024/02/03/roisin-murphy-the-irish-culture-i-grew-up-in-is-the-main-thing-that-made-me-who-i-am" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20240203085452/www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/2024/02/03/roisin-murphy-the-irish-culture-i-grew-up-in-is-the-main-thing-that-made-me-who-i-am/

BBC Radio Newcastle - Kelly Scott on BBC Radio Newcastle, 20/01/2024, Moloko voicalist Roisin Murphy chats about her new single and successful solo career

Irish singer, songwriter and record producer Roisin Murphy chats about her new single

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0h69464

Biffology · 05/02/2024 21:02

Moving on is fair enough - because we were there at the tme and were on what turned out to be the right side of history, after all. As Ol' Blue Eyes sang, 'The record shows..', etc.

Moloko - Familiar Feeling (Official HD Video)

Official HD video for Moloko, 'Familiar Feeling'.Released in February 2003, the first single from Moloko's final LP 'Statues' reached number 10 in the UK cha...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABHgpUAv1mk

Biffology · 06/02/2024 00:03

Meanwhile, I don't recall the BBC emerging from this situation with a great deal of credit - in fact, quite the contrary and, for me, those question marks over their impartiality remain, to this day.

We have all the evidence we require to justify that statement, in this thread. (which smartly closes down anyone who wishes to retort with the now-ubiquitous single-word reply 'Proof ?' )

WarriorN · 14/02/2024 19:05

Off to see her tonight! ❤️

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JanesLittleGirl · 14/02/2024 19:11

WarriorN · 14/02/2024 19:05

Off to see her tonight! ❤️

Envy
duc748 · 14/02/2024 19:20

Ally Pally on Saturday, apaz.

WarriorN · 14/02/2024 20:17

Loving crazy P

2 Proseccos and I'm hammered

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Escapetosomewhere · 20/02/2024 08:23

when the Róisín thing broke, I’m sure I read the record company saying that they would send all proceeds to a trans charity?

Biffology · 20/02/2024 08:36

Notice how the NME writer discovered they weren't going to get very far criticising the music so they decided to slag off the audience, i.e. us.

'If the ensuing crowd is best described as “40-something and intense-looking” (there must be at least 5,000 pairs of thick-rimmed spectacles on display here), the music itself is, for the most part, transcendently light-hearted.'

My take is that we stood our ground in the face of (see up-thread for details) and I suppose these people have decided that they'll try to cancel us, instead.

Biffology · 20/02/2024 08:38

@Escapetosomewhere

Never trust what you read in the papers : )

Biffology · 20/02/2024 08:42

@ArabeIIaScott It's a back-handed complement but I must say I don't place a great deal of value by those. Others - more influential and important others at that - have given, er, front-handed ones. 🤓

WarriorN · 20/02/2024 08:46

Friends who are in the music bizz who also went to see her (with other music bizz friends) said, amongst music circles, she's considered to at her absolute peak of her musical prowess.

And I personally am struggling to think of other current female artists who have her showmanship and versatility. PJ Harvey maybe but very different music.

I'm still fuming that 6 music aren't playing her.

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Biffology · 20/02/2024 08:59

@WarriorN If anyone from 6Music (apart from the likes of Nemone) claims any credit for Roisin's success, we'll know better than to meekly hand it over..