Worrying Increase in Transphobia

[PorcelinaV]

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/09/09/transphobia-uk-press-media-negative-coverage/

An increase in transphobic sentiment among the British public has been fuelled by hostile coverage of trans people from the right-wing press, argues data journalist Ell Folan....

Unfortunately, newspapers still have a great deal of influence on the public and political agenda in Britain, and nowhere is this more obvious than in how perceptions of trans rights have changed.

As recently as Feburary 2021, an absolute majority of British voters (51 per cent) agreed with the statement “a transgender woman is a woman”, including 6 in 10 women. Just 34 per cent disagreed. But after years of negative coverage from the press, those numbers have changed.

In April this year, only 33 per cent of voters agreed that trans women are women, with 47 per cent disagreeing....

It is clear that the media plays an important role in shaping public perceptions, and unless their negative coverage is corrected and refuted, public opinion will continue to worsen.

By the way, just so we're clear, I have not sent any private messages to anyone on this thread.

Right it is not a phobia because a phobia is an irrational fear. It is sensible acceptance of the impirical biological fact that a man cannot become a woman and a woman cannot become a man. No amount of drugs or mutilative surgery will ever change that basic fact. We are even skeletally different between the sexes as a species. Sex and gender are assigned at conception and no later than that.
It‘s just simply being fed up of being expected to pander to this mass hysterical delusional nonsense.
So not a phobia instead a disapprovation.

What about Jeremy Corbyn?

Jeremy Corbyn has long been against the EU, and he never revealed his position on Brexit. Obviously his motives for being anti EU are different to other people's motives - but he also claims to belive that TWAW.

This whole Brexit malarkey really was the start of this very divisive identity politics. Most people didn't have a clue why they were in favour or against. it was purely tribal allegiance which under-scored most people's vote. Am I this sort of person with these sorts of values- or am I that sort of person?

I too find the word cis extremely offensive. Women are women, we don't need these 'defining' slur words at all. Men are not and cannot be women. Those who claim they identify as women are Transwomen so why on Earth would women need an additional label?

The quality of TRA posting really has plummetted recently. It's like watching a couple of 15 year olds on a minimum wage dishwashing shift being asked to cook and serve 20 tables Sunday lunch with all the trimmings.

I was thinking along similar lines.

Have any of those posters given us a number of women and children who are expendable as acceptable collateral damage for their flawed or non existent safeguarding initiatives?

Any of them want to say the quiet bit out loud?

Or are we just going to keep on with the n+1 algorithm?

Talltall · Yesterday 07:39

@PorcelinaV

the challenge is their are idiots and people who abuse.

so there are examples here that people are using where people have done wrong hiding under the trans flag being used to excuse discrimination of others.

self identification is the issue.

the trans movement are silly to support that but together either things like mental health provision this country voted for a Tory government and the Brexit bunch that hurt such provisions.

two wrong don’t make a right and therefore no one should support trans discrimination sighting examples of bad behaviour as why.

these are not real trans people.

they are the most gentle souls around .

Talltall · Yesterday 19:21

@RealityFan

well if you say anything positive about it trans people on mumsnets people slag you off and instantly take the topic to safeguarding women's spaces.

even if you don't believe in self identication and you believe in women only spaces.

it rather horrid what is said to me.

I often change the word trans for of colour and then I see the utter discrimination.

@Talltall
Pointing out that you support the rights of males over females is not attacking you

You argument is based on males being discriminated against by not being allowed into single sex female only spaces

You said you change trans to colour for you real trans people who are the most gentle souls around.

Are you changing your real trans people males who are the most gentle souls around to a black woman and giving him all the right of access to female spaces that a black woman has?

Aren't women gentle souls who deserve protection?

Why are transwomen somehow more worthy and more gentle?

It's putting them on this special pedestal. Again.

And it's nonsense.

I don't know, what does being a 'gentle soul' involve?

My son is a gentle soul. He's genuinely one of the loveliest people ever. He's also gay if that's relevant. I still wouldn't let him into women's toilets/changing rooms etc. Because he's male.

Perhaps that poster ansolas and red doesn’t actually understand what they typed and how it is being interpreted? Perhaps they cannot objectively analyse their own words to see if they have not quite relayed the information as they perceive they have?

As I said upthread, there is a concerning disconnected quality to the posts. It simply doesn’t seem that any posts are read and addressed. Either the poster is incapable for whatever reason, and that could include a device issue or anything, or is unwilling.

I share many of Corbyn's views , which are rather unremarkable and probably even to the right of previous Labour PMs like Attlee, Wilson or Callaghan.

On the EU or EEC as was I was also anti for the same reasons I suspect- worried about multinationals subverting democracy etc. But I changed my mind after visiting Europe during the locust years of Thatcher /Major. I had good teachers you might say !

I'm sure there are Brexiters of one stripe or another who think twaw. And Europhiles like moi who think they are not.

I knew a ‘gentle soul’ teacher. They delighted in feeling the breasts of girls going through puberty and flicking their bra straps.

I think of no reason that that gentle soul should be excluded from the rest of the male population that is subject to safeguarding protocols!

I'm not sure but I'll bet it involves tampons.

Crispin Blunt is a Tory hard Brexiter who is very vocally TWAW.

He's also Emily Blunt's uncle and there is a strong family resemblance which means I now can't look at a picture of one of them without seeing the other.

Also I have no idea about Emily Blunt's politics and maybe she agrees with him on all those issues but I'm very glad he's not my uncle because I can't think of many people I would less like to have to invite to my wedding. Can you imagine having to deal with obnoxious rants from the same person about those cheese eating surrender monkeys across the water, and also, evil TERFs?

It took me an embarrassing amount of time yesterday to work out what TRSOH means!

@Helleofabore

dear me
self rationalisation after a deflection technique

Deflection?! Are you having a laugh?! You've not answered any of the reasonable questions put to you.

Dictionaries don't care what you think about transpeople.

Cisgender simply means someone who isn't trans. It's not "offensive".

Again, look it up.

Oh dear…

please do carry on. Perhaps while you are still here, you could answer the many questions posters have asked which would clarify your posts.

Or are you still of the understanding that people should be able to decipher your posts as they stand and their meaning?

Whereas, the reality is that you have been asked so many questions because people don’t understand your words or they disagree and point out the gaps in your thinking and where your beliefs leave women and children open to harm.

🍿TRSOH 💪🍿

Oh, cross posted with wesanderson!

@LizaBizza There's already words to describe someone who 'isn't trans'. Woman and Man. Cis isn't needed. Kind of like using a word to describe someone who doesn't collect stamps (nicked off another poster). Needless.

Many women find Cis offensive, you don't get to decide for them. You also don't get to decide if women should accept men into their spaces regardless of how they identify, no matter how you feel about it.