Worrying Increase in Transphobia

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https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/09/09/transphobia-uk-press-media-negative-coverage/

An increase in transphobic sentiment among the British public has been fuelled by hostile coverage of trans people from the right-wing press, argues data journalist Ell Folan....

Unfortunately, newspapers still have a great deal of influence on the public and political agenda in Britain, and nowhere is this more obvious than in how perceptions of trans rights have changed.

As recently as Feburary 2021, an absolute majority of British voters (51 per cent) agreed with the statement “a transgender woman is a woman”, including 6 in 10 women. Just 34 per cent disagreed. But after years of negative coverage from the press, those numbers have changed.

In April this year, only 33 per cent of voters agreed that trans women are women, with 47 per cent disagreeing....

It is clear that the media plays an important role in shaping public perceptions, and unless their negative coverage is corrected and refuted, public opinion will continue to worsen.

Trans women have legally been classed as women though right? You know this don't you?
I don't see who I would be to start arguing with legal definitions.

No they haven't at all. What are you talking about?

Unfortunately the urinary leash has already returned for too many girls in schools where boys can share their toilets.

Public facilities for females, won barely a century ago, are being rolled back in the name of men's rights.

@risefromyourgrave I'm so sorry this happened to you.

I am fully aware of that @Messyhair321 . And I don't agree with it, because no one changes sex.As I said, i know far more than i want to know about being trans as I met enough when I was working.

I think most of us on the thread can see some on here are deliberately baiting those of us who believe that humans cannot change sex , & imho we should ignore them as anyone who quotes Prick News is probably beyond help.

Incorrect.

Around 5,000 people who have obtained a gender recognition certificate in the UK (less than 40 per year on average) are legally classed as the opposite sex. That includes some female people who are legally male, some of whom have since detransitioned but are still legally male.

There are estimated to be somewhere between 200,000 and 500,000 trans identifying people in the UK. So actually a very small proportion of them are legally the opposite sex to their biological sex.

And even if what you said was true, how are we supposed to tell whether the male person stripping off next to us in the women's changing room has a magical piece of paper saying he is female or not?

I am talking a about the gender recognition certificate and all that follows from that.

Indeed, I'm proud to have been the first to write Woman = Adult human female on MN

It was on the thread back in 2014 or 2013 when a trans poster was trying to get "transphobia guidelines" into TG that would shut down gender debate.

Presumably the person with the magical piece of paper saying he is now a she has also got his magical cock too. Absolutely can't blame anyone for not going through with that horrific surgery but if you have a cock then go in the mens. Thats biologically where you belong.

I wasn't starting a discussion about religion, I was using religion as an analogy. It's a necessary one to invoke because gender ideology is a belief system akin to religion, and it's widely understood that non-adherents to Islam, Christianity or any other religion are not required to accept, espouse, profess and live by the tenets of those religions. And not doing so does not make them "phobic" or "bigoted" or "far right", nor does anyone one (generally) suggests that it does. Unlike gender ideology where those accusations are thrown about as a matter of course with the intention of shaming and silencing people when the ideology fails to stand up to scrutiny.

Cosmosforbreakfast, perfect 👌.
This should be read out before the Equality Act review which is long overdue.

But what about the women and children whose lives have been negatively affected by gender ideology? Do you care about them or is it only yourself you have an interest in? If you want examples for how this affects women and children you can educate yourself on the facts.

It's not trans people who are the problem.

I agree. It's men who are the problem.

So why the push to make everything mixed sex and therefore remove safeguarding.

Why the push to tell children lies about biology and try to prevent anyone raising concerns about it. Who will that benefit except from predatory males?

You cannot measure transphobia when you can't even define it.

You cannot say there has been an increase in an unquantifiable object. What is transphobia, what is a woman, what is a transwoman? If you cannot define these words then you cannot make a poll relating to them. It's meaningless.

Women are regarded by many as the last demographic that can be picked on without backlash, they arenwrong though, as women now make up a great proportion of the working population and have an active say in hoe thongs are done. Shameful the way some groups have attempted to stamp on women by attempting to redefine the words used to describe themselves and their lives.

Well, quite.

Yeah but since no one can actually check to see whether you have a cock or not, that's unenforceable. Every way I look at it, I can't see any solution that works for women other than "if you were born with a penis, this space is not for you".

If you had asked me a few years back I would have said yes tontranswomen are women because I felt more 'live and let live' about it. However the erasion of women in our language in health care and the increased vulnerability of women's safety spaces has resulted in me setting firmer boundaries to protect us.

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You keep talking about diagnosis. There is a concerted effort from many organisations to remove the need for a medical diagnosis from the GRC process, not least by the GRR Bill in Scotland -

www.parliament.scot/bills-and-laws/bills/gender-recognition-reform-scotland-bill/overview

So, no diagnosis needed. And in fact, you would be deemed a dreadful transphobe by many to suggest that it is a requirement.

Acceptance without question and all that.

Exactly. I agree with you 1000%. Female spaces are for the biologically female ( and tiny children).

Actually, if you look at the article linked in the OP, they are unusually clear about what they think transphobia means.

They point an increase in people not agreeing that trans women are women and call it transphobia.

So it's right there in black and white.

Refusing to believe in magical thinking, that humans can change sex and that the emperor is wearing very fine clothes is transphobic.

I think that tells us all we need to know about this movement. It's not enough for us to be polite to people, to believe that they shouldn't be harassed on the street or suffer discrimination in housing or employment. It's not enough to believe that they should have safe places to pee and get changed if you are advocating for third spaces; in fact, advocating for third spaces for trans people would in itself be transphobic, because it is the lack of belief that they are the opposite sex that is transphobic.

With it spelled out that clearly, I don't see how anyone can credibly claim that this is the same as racism or homophobia, which is discrimination against people for what they are, as opposed to a refusal to pretend to believe that they are something they are not.

I think that some posters here mistakenly think that to be discriminated against requires to be a minority.

Nothing to do with media, people are just sick to their back teeth of this utter shite. A man/woman can believe they are the opposite sex or whatever else but doesn't mean everyone else has to entertain it. Trans women ARE NOT WOMEN nor can they ever be.
Facts are facts