New sports club at DC’s high school only open to LGBTQ+ pupils and their allies

[SirChenjins]

Are they legally allowed to exclude GC pupils? Or pupils who are not one of the special alphabet children?

This is a really great club - nothing like the school has offered before. Seems a shame to limit attendance based on sexuality/gender ideology rather than interest/ability.

We’re in Scotland if that makes a difference.

So how should a school make sure children who often feel as other or excluded from mainstream sport feel included without singling them out?

Isn't singling them out perpetuating the problem? Othering them, as common parlance has it?

In any case, the children in this group have absolutely nothing in common with each other?

If trans girls need a safe space from anyone who doesn't agree that they are girls and lesbians need a safe space from anyone who doesn't respect the fact that she is exclusively sexually attracted to other biological females, this group can't simultaneously be a safe space for both of them, can it?

i suppose thats why they've added allies. if you don't agree that these identities should exist then its nots for you and thats ok. If you don't mind all getting along together without antagonising then come along.

If you find their existence or beliefs an affront then it wouldn't be the best place to be

Their existence or beliefs? Whose existence or beliefs in particular in the group should take priority?

I think you've got it the wrong way round.

We all recognise that these identities exist. (Although as explained above, gay, lesbian and bisexual are not identities, they have nothing to do with being trans and their interests are often in direct conflict with what trans people want.)

Trans activists don't recognise that women and girls, as in, biologically female people, have the right to exist.

If girls want to play this sport they have no choice but to pretend to be allies of people who don't think they have the right to exist.

If you require women and girls to peacefully tolerate and accept groups that focus on the beliefs that women and girls as a sex class must not be spoken of as existing, must be subordinated to the wishes of the male sex, must not be homosexual, yada yada,

then those groups must equally tolerate and accept groups that focus on the belief of reality of sex, and which focus on women and girls needs and interests on a sexed basis.

Instead of forming screaming mobs and shutting them down all over the place, like the rape survivor currently trying to be permitted one accessible group she can have help with her rape in, while male people have their preferred choice of three accessible options.

You can't have it both ways. I'm absolutely fine with religious tolerance and living alongside if it's reciprocal. But it isn't, is it?

So can GC lesbians go to this club? Given that quite a few of them are affronted by the suggestion that males can be lesbians? Or should the males who believe they are females not go, since they find girls who don't want to consider then in their dating pool an affront?' LGB' and 'TQ+ and allies' are anathema.

If the criteria for the club is 'If you don't mind all getting along together without antagonising then come along' then it's just a club, no branding needed. But it's not, it's a sports club for kids with a criteria based on a political belief. Which isn't on, kids shouldn't have to declare allegiance to a particular belief in order to join a sports club.

Exactly.

Everywhere is already inclusive of trans people, including places which shouldn't be.

Trans people get their own safe spaces where they won't encounter other people's opinions, and they also have access to all other spaces. Meanwhile women and girls aren't even allowed their own safe spaces where they won't encounter penises, let alone opinions.

I would have a lot more sympathy for the point of view that trans people need safe spaces away from others if these weren't the exact same people who want to deny women and girls safe spaces away from males.

‘So can GC lesbians go to this club? ‘

As it’s for all LGBTQ kids - yes.
Op can ask the school, while she’s theirs complaining about her sons ‘exclusion’ and update you on that though

but if you hold GC beliefs why would you want to be in a group that has TQ+?

i don't understand the desire to be in a group that you actively disagree with?

Because apparently it's for LGBTQ+ so is claiming to be for (GC or otherwise) lesbians? Or are you saying LGBTQ+ actually just means TQ+?

And again, why does a child need to believe in an ideology to access a sport? Why is the only way to do this sport to say you believe in gender ideology?

Because you would like to play this sport and don't understand why it has to be political?

Or are you saying LGBTQ+ actually just means TQ+?

Saying the silent part out loud.

obviously you can join I didn't say you can't i just asked why?

i think its best to leave it here as you seem to be making some wild inferences and spoiling for a fight.

I can't see any wild inferences, or any spoiling for a fight.

You asked why a GC lesbian would want to join this sports club, which is badged as being for LGBTQ+ - is a lesbian part of the LGBTQ+, or not?

I'd like to understand why a school thinks it ok to restrict this sport to people with a belief in a particular ideology. And since the school aren't here, I'm interested to hear from people who think this is ok, to understand the reasoning behind that.

Should cheerleading club be for Young Conservatives and allies? Should fencing club be for Jewish kids and allies? Why is this club ok, in your opinion? Obviously you're under no obligation to answer, I'm just interested to understand how posters are ok with this.

So Jess from Frood’s post upthread could go along wearing her LGB Alliance badge and not have to worry about anyone having a go at her.

Luckily the school seems to have a bit of sense…

Sense in what way?

What have the school said when you brought your son’s exclusion to them, OP?
genuinely interested in the response.
We just generally tell parents that we feel there is a need for a LGBTQ grp, and although their opinion may differ, and they may not be happy that their child wants to go, it’s not going anywhere.

Yes, you expressed your interest previously. Asked and answered.

So, sense in what way?

Fair enough. Would it be ok for a gay child to attend who was open about not agreeing that TWAW?
I'm woke as hell. I agree that marginalised groups need their own safe spaces. But in an instance like this it's asking people to buy into an ideology.

I honestly think if you genuinely cared about your son joining this mysterious ‘activity’ you’d actually go and speak to the school, instead of just posting on this little echo chamber here.
At least ask them if they’d consider running another session of the ‘ activity ‘ on another day for kids who don’t identify as LGBTQ.
So that your son can take part without having to be associated in anyway with gay kids. Up to you if you tell them he has such strong GC beliefs that he can’t even try the club, you could ask and they might well assume he doesn’t want to encroach on a club primarily aimed at children who might feel the need for some space away from everyone else.

I hope to god your son isn’t any of the LGBTQ for his sake.

Yes, you've expressed those opinions about my child previously many times. Some of your more offensive ones have also been deleted.

Would you care to reply to the questions that I and other posters have asked you?

Hang on, if you work in a school, that implies you're literate.

I thought you simply couldn't comprehend other people's posts because they were written at too sophisticated a level of language for you. Thus the lashing out with personal abuse. Very sad, but understandable.

But if you have a job in a school, then you're just choosing to ignore the points you can't respond to, and choosing to make abusive posts instead.

You lack integrity.

And not only that, but directing some really offensive insults and accusations at a child who doesn't subscribe to a particular ideology. Is that generally how teaching staff behave in that poster's school, I wonder?