New sports club at DC’s high school only open to LGBTQ+ pupils and their allies

[SirChenjins]

Are they legally allowed to exclude GC pupils? Or pupils who are not one of the special alphabet children?

This is a really great club - nothing like the school has offered before. Seems a shame to limit attendance based on sexuality/gender ideology rather than interest/ability.

We’re in Scotland if that makes a difference.

So your friend is non binary but only attracted to members of the opposite sex even though they class themselves as neither male nor female? 🙃

It's a club that is available to everyone. Everyone should be a LGBT+ ally as it relates to school children.
If it's a physical sport and they put your DD in/against a mixed sex team (and she's over 12) then she needs a strategy to be able to remove herself without making herself a target.
BTW if she shares your 'alphabet soup' mentality she probably won't enjoy the group dynamic anyway.

Everyone should be a LGBT+ ally as it relates to school children.

You do realise this means NOT being an ally to school children who are homosexual? The politics of the word ally and that phrase mean compliance to the TQ+ politics, which by definition means that being homosexual is being a sexual racist. Are you really in favour of everyone telling lesbian girls that they are wrong for not being attracted to boys when boys say they are girls? That they must learn to cope with unwanted sex with penises?

Seriously?

Is ANYONE competent in reading comprehension on this thread and able to address their own lack of understanding? These issues are explained multiple times on every page! It's one long 'cancel the cheque'.

LGB is not the same as T.
Is someone still an ally if they don't agree with TWAW?

I think they identify as pan sexual. But my point was that "gay" doesn't mean "trans" so using the word "gay" as a coverall is nonsense.

I suppose non binary and pansexual (what's the difference between pansexual and bisexual) makes slightly more sense than being non binary and either gay or straight.

Because you'd have to be like, I identify as being neither male nor female, but hypothetically supposing I were one or the other it would be this one and I only have sex with people who are hypothetically the other/same one.

But that’s nonsense. Being LGB has nothing to do with being TQ. Any male who fancies females is either straight or possibly bisexual, regardless of how they identify.

The way I understand it (although definitions seem to vary) is that pan means attracted to male/female however they identify. Bi people aren't attracted to trans people. Certainly for me the qualities I like in men and women are different and trans men/women don't usually have those qualities. Eg I like men with big muscly arms and large hands. Trans men don't usually have those. I hate fake breasts on women. I'm sure someone will think that makes me transphobic. But whatever.

Pan makes more sense in terms of NB, i agree. Although my friends teen says she they are attracted to people with the same body as them. Eg females. Tis all very confusing at times.

That was kind of what I was getting at. If you say you're non binary because you identify as neither male nor female, then say you're only attracted to people with the same type of body as you, aren't you admitting that there are two body types and you are one of the two (i.e. male or female, and therefore binary) and that you can tell which one everybody else is too?

It's pretty contradictory.

At least if you identify as non binary and pansexual at least you don't have to acknowledge that everyone has one of two body types, including you.

Yes. We are in agreement @MargotBamborough

You are being completely ridiculous.

I know over 100 lesbians personally, and not a single one of them has any issue with trans people, or considers that they are under any obligation to date or have sex with anyone they do not personally want to.

Did you read that survey which showed the highest levels of support for trans people comes from younger lesbians?

www.justlikeus.org/blog/2023/03/31/trans-day-of-visibility-ally-lesbian/

Why you are so intent on spreading this misinformation is beyond me, but presumably part of your anti-trans campaign.

Did you read some of these posts and quotes from lesbians who have experienced exactly what you say doesn't happen?

https://terfisaslur.com/cotton-ceiling/

Why you are so intent on spreading this misinformation is beyond me, but presumably part of your anti-gay campaign.

Unless we can establish that all the lesbians surveyed were biologically female and exclusively attracted to other biological females, that survey is pretty worthless.

I can't think that anyone would ever confide adverse experiences to you, never mind risk sharing opinions you would classify as "anti-trans".

Ally and friend are not synonyms. I have a friend who is Russian. She is a terrific friend but she believes that Ukraine should be an integral part of Russia. I am not her ally.

It is manifestly, abundantly clear that there are posters on FWR who wish to cynically, inaccurately and belligerently frame a position of transwomen as predators of lesbians.

It may convince a few isolated people who establish their position solely through the rhetoric they read on forums like this, but it isn't convincing anyone in the real world who have direct experience with the vast majority of perfectly average trans people, who are no more or less likely to be interested in coercive sex than any other person of any other demographic.

And I hate to break it to you but non-trans lesbians are perfectly capable of predatory and unwelcome behaviour towards each other. I have been involved in warning members of social groups about this. We have never had to speak to any trans women about their behaviour to others in social groups, only non-trans lesbians.

t is manifestly, abundantly clear that there are posters on FWR who wish to cynically, inaccurately and belligerently frame a position of transwomen as predators of lesbians.

And the facts are that some are. The articles are up written by male people with TQ+ identities, the cotton ceiling thread lists many, we all heard the radio broadcasts by Veronica Ivy and the head of Stonewall, we all saw the Riley Dennis video, we've all got access to twitter. We know who has been excluded from Pride, we know which lesbian group had male people yelling outside because their definition of lesbian for the purposes of their group was female only - you can find the yelling mob on youtube. You can find the threads here where MRA after MRA has told them they have no business defining their body and sexuality in ways that do not validate men who say they are something other than men and use the word 'lesbian'.

Denying this is ridiculous. I can well see it makes you very uncomfortable, but it's rather like identifying that a male person is a lesbian. Reality and the facts are in plain sight, no matter how much you scold and shame people in a vain hope they won't look at them.

I'm looking. This behaviour by men towards women in the name of those mens' sexual desires is revolting. If you don't think it's acceptable, you need a major word with Stonewall and the male people behaving like this, not scolding women that reality is what you tell them it is, and only bad people believe the evidence of their own eyes. Colour me bad then, I am really not bothered by a desire to be liked and approved of by people who believe in treating women like this.

I'll tell you what else you will find, if you look? A Total Lack of any transwomen or NB people rejecting this behaviour from other transwomen, or from Stonewall et al, and standing up for women's rights to recognise sex and choose their own sexual identity. To have their own female-only term. To criticise things like the 'cotton ceiling' which was a workshop ffs to brain storm how men got the knickers off lesbians to have sex with them because the bitches wouldn't consent.

Fgs have the guts to own the reality of what you spend so much time here pushing.

Great post Frood

And 'non trans lesbian'? I mean, for fucks sake.

"Non trans lesbians" 😂😂 The world becomes more and more stupid every day.

I know. Even putting aside the ludicrousness of referring to heterosexual males as 'trans lesbians', using the term 'non trans lesbians' is a depressingly misogynist way of referring to women only in terms of their relation to men.

@Froodwithatowel well said 👏

Excellent post Frood. Hoopy!

Then why aren't nice trans people, and, I don't know, people like the CEO of fucking Stonewall, loudly and unequivocally condemning the trans people who do this?

Why did Allison Bailey get into trouble for objecting to the now infamous "cotton ceiling" workshop?

What is the aim? to get the club closed down or open to everyone and a general rule about no safe space clubs?

I think the aim is to leave the sexual and identity politics out of a children's sports club.