Let women speak-Dublin Sept 16th

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Anyone else on here planning to attend this?

Fantastic. Thank you!

@LizaBizza is in dead trouble. He spent all weekend on here & didn’t do his homework. He’s defo defo going to get detention.

Here's the thing. I completely reject what that person said in Australia. I don't share that opinion or belief and would not repeat it.

However, the opinions I do have are unchanged by the wild and disgusting views of that person in Australia.

What Stephanie said.

They’re not a confused teenager.

Whatever name they’re using at the moment, they have form for posting hilariously inaccurate information (eg utterly wrong photos), nonsensical ramblings that a toddler could pick holes in and dropping clangers so big they could be seen from the moon (see what I did there?)

They don’t engage in any real discussion just keep pushing the same Inaccuracies until women point and laugh.

Don’t know if it’s as thrilling when a male MNer laughs at them, they ignore the posters who have said they’re male.

if you can’t work out their motivation I envy your innocence.

Thank goodness English women like KJK are willing to come to Dublin to defend Irish women. You mentioned abortion. It was Britain who Irish women turned to when their own country abandoned them. Pregnant women went to England to give birth in secret, or went there never to return. Censored women like Edna O’Brien had to leave. As late as in the last 10 years Liverpool hospital wanted to stop the Irish women coming (funding crisis) and to their credit they realised the danger that would put Irish women in. There is a particular suite there called the Irish Suite, for Irish couples when non viable pregnancies, where Irish women in despair get the treatment denied to them by their own.

Many of the UK women will be of some form of Irish lineage. Many have at least one Irish granny. But one thing is for sure, they are all women. And that is all that matters.

This website, mumsnet, is a place where Irish women like me can talk and discuss. There is zero in the Irish media on trans, RTE, the Independent and the Irish Times all captured or afraid. At least we get the British press too. And I’m old enough to remember when they censored ads in Cosmopolitan.

So you need to grow up and realise who the real enemy is, it’s those thugs in Dublin, with their Lenin flags, sexual deviant men hiding behind masks, their stupid ‘bekind’ handmaidens and the politicians like Ruth Copponger who support them.

Also last time I looked Helen Joyce and Glinner/Graham Linehan are Irish. As is The Countess or 15 year old magnificent Bran Dubh (I am not a Dress) You do not speak for me or for Irish women. Not for those of us who know exactly what this trans ideology is about.

I'm Irish, I live in Dublin and I also was really nervous about attending this event. I went with my friend and my husband (because I was that scared, a very new and strange feeling to have in the middle of the day in my capital city!).

Thank goodness it was so well organised and policed that it felt very safe.

There was a man walking around the crowd who was dressed in black and filming the crowd from different angles with his phone. this made me nervous about being identified so I put on a face mask. I then felt paranoid about why I felt the need to do that and so I didn't talk to anyone at the event and subsequently started to feel very upset about the whole thing - thinking to myself why the hell was I standing in a really nice part of Dublin cheering someone saying 'Women don't have penises' ??? how has this happened in Ireland???

I also thought it was such a shame that the other side wouldn't just listen to what the women were saying. No one was hating on trans people.

when I got home I watched videos of what was being said on the other side. They were so pleased with themselves to be fighting this evil enemy that really doesn't exist at all....

wish we could have had a giant screen above the let women speak showing the livestream and with closed captions....
would they be blaring their music and stupid chants when they realise it was just a few women talking about their pain, their trauma, their hurt....?

overall I was glad I went but I was also a bit disappointed with the turnout, I had expected more people to show.

hopefully next time....

I don't know whether you saw it, but there was an article in a US based newspaper lately which I can't for the life of me find right now, but it mentioned how easily Ireland has taken to this stuff and how difficult the small size of Ireland, and the extent of the capture throughout the civil service and NGOs means that it's incredibly difficult to oppose in Ireland - much more so than in larger countries.

Personally, I don't think nationality matters very much in this. This is a global fight for women. I don't think that Afghan or Saudi women should be left unsupported by us because we're not Afghan or Saudi (sorry if I'm making inaccurate assumptions!). This affects all women, it's cross border and transnational and we have to treat it like that.

I think the logic goes, somebody, somewhere, said something awful about a transperson, therefore, women should let men in their changing rooms.

I agree that this isn't a new poster. Incidentally, I never liked margaritas.

wish we could have had a giant screen above the let women speak showing the livestream and with closed captions....

That's a brilliant idea!

Let the entire world see what the masked protesters are actually objecting to.

It is the constant casual dismissal of violence against women and the strange seeking of humiliation by seemingly just pulling shite off the Internet that is really unmissable.

Exactly Helle. Most of the detractors on this board have a recognisable posting style. No matter how many times they name change.

Thank you for your presence. No doubt it is brave to attend these events. Every time you do something brave it moves things forward for all of us.

And you're quite right, why should women feel too scared to meet each other and speak in public, in 2023?

How about those pies?

By the by.

Sexual masochism encompasses the paraphilia of 'humiliation'.

Women should be educated more on paraphilias, I think. They are almost exclusively seen in men, and often the cause of surprising, confusing, and incomprehensible behaviour.

https://www.medicinenet.com/paraphilia/article.htm

The thing that most paraphilias have in common is the predication on non consensual participation.

I always believed one sort of courage was being scared of doing something and doing it anyway. Well done all those brave women who attended.

Courage calls to courage everywhere.

I also love your suggestion about a huge screen with the close caption transcript displayed on the bottom.

Having faced down a smaller crowd of protestors in London I can certainly understand your feeling that the protestors are completely disconnected from the truth in their chants and signs. I even had a conversation about this with a policeman who was standing just to the side of me. I pointed out that nearly everything the protestors were saying was misrepresentation or such a gross exaggeration that it was not recognisable and missing the key facts which would show it as reflecting the majority of the Uk population view. After I explained it, I noticed he listened to the women trying to talk to the protestors across the couple of metres gap, and I think he could easily see what I meant. There was nothing of substance in the protestors dialogue while the women were pointing out the lies and misinformation.

That feeling that they have no sense of reality started to build from reading this board, but it was like a klaxon that day.

Yes, arabella that is always a helpful point

I think some posters have tried to run from their long established usernames after it became apparent that those usernames had become forever recognised for dismissal of violence and misogyny. However, I get the sense that with some name changes a new tactic of rolling out slurs as a ‘newbie’ is being attempted.

@StephanieSuperpowers Part of the problem here in Ireland is our status as a sort of front office for massive American corporations. Apple, Facebook, Google all have European hq here - and a lot more besides .

Historically - and again post Crash - there was a lot of emigration to the 🇺🇸 and Canada. Our media and society in general is very open to American culture. If you spend enough time in affluent Dublin suburbs you get cognitive dissonance from all the Valley Girl accents.

Much as the TRAs decry the evil foreigners radicalising us poor dim benighted Paddies , the same charge can be levelled at them. Trans Equality Network Ireland was headed by an American or Canadian guy . Morrigan Dogbreath or something.

They always award themselves Celtic Goddess names and I get confused. I suppose we should complain about cultural appropriation. But we just can't be arsed. That's another of our problems maybe? This nonsense is foisted upon us and we shrug and say ' ah sure lookit , it'll be grand '. But it won't. Not this time.

Having learnt about paraphilias the last few years now, things are much easier to understand in terms of History and news.
I do miss my innocent naive 30-s though.

one poster just a bit upthread wrote this:

*wish we could have had a giant screen above the let women speak showing the livestream and with closed captions....
would they be blaring their music and stupid chants when they realise it was just a few women talking about their pain, their trauma, their hurt....? *

and my answer to that, sadly, is yes they would. Probably with extra gusto.

Unfortunately, there really are some such women. Their number seems larger than it is because they are noisy, somewhat articulate and utterly convinced of their righteousness.

Their particular flavour here in Ireland is interesting. These self-identifying feminists seem incapable of conceptualising that fellow Irish women might have come to a contrary position on gender ideology and trans activism by their own lights, rather than under the malevolent influence of ould-one Brit fash* or, alternatively, a man. Amazing.

*Many of these monstered British women provided financial and logistical support for decades to Irish women forced to travel to Britain for abortions. All forgotten now; they're TERF fash and, even worse than being Brits, they're middle aged.