Let women speak-Dublin Sept 16th

[KnittingDiva]

Anyone else on here planning to attend this?

Oh apologies, I didn't realise that.

What was interstate to me was that the crows were about 30% men. Some people brought babies. It was a good location as they were able to stay at the edge of the crowd & still hear.

Aldo some cute TERF dogs.

Paddy O’Gorman was also there. He said he felt like Daniel O’Donnell all these women wanting to talk to him.

I'm glad to see men present. I think it's brilliant to have an event where women speak and its great to have men who are happy to listen.

& I’m not a vet but I know what a dog is.

The video showing the TRAs heading to protest LWS does seem to be a never-ending stream of men. But i'ts 100% not a men's rights movement.

https://twitter.com/msediewyatt/status/1703247336091328525

A famous man once said, "there they are, all the lads". And he could have been talking about that photo.

I've seen some photos they've posted themselves about their magnificent triumph over the middle aged lady fash. They haven't got either the wit or material to show photos of women.

They didn't triumph though, the event went ahead as planned. There are always wankers screeching in the background.

I'm just reflecting their interpretation.

Sorry if it came across that I was criticising you, they always identify as having "won", because they are mostly silly little boys, even the 45 year old ones.

Lots of angry young men mad at their Mammies.

No man becomes like their mother that is their tragedy.

The problem with that sort of analysis is that it assumes that all of those things you mention are actually taking place - rather than it being that you are deciding that the way other people view a situation is inherently phobic in some way - purely becaue it goes agaisnt your own personal way of viewing things.

Women campaigning to protect their rights and dignity is called 'transphobia' by some; and people wanting controls on immigration is referred to as 'racism' by others. Who gets to decide what is and isn't? You seem fairly certain that you are morally righteous and the reasonable arbiter of what other people,can say, think or do.

No problem, @Ereshkigalangcleg . I probably would have picked it up correctly but I'm into hour 3 of my eight year oldest account of gymnastics class yesterday...

Be a female student in 2023 and stand an increased risk of being sexually assaulted or raped. Ahhhh....progress....

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/17/hardcore-porn-choking-and-universities-left-to-tackle-rising-tide-of-sexual-assaults

Particularly Derek, with the excellent representation that female people have on campus with the male ‘women’s officers’, who people assure us are ensuring female people are fully considered for our needs in all university policy!!

And considering how many of the top universities around the world still have rape culture alive and thriving.

But yes…. Universities are so very inclusive for all female people!

“As mentioned before, most TERFs are over 50 so I imagine the turnout for these anti-LGBT events will just get lower and lower as time goes on.”

I think we have already established that you have no true understanding about the topics you proclaim with confidence.

You are deluding yourself if you honestly believe that the majority of those you denigrate are over 50. It is seriously hilarious how uninformed you really are.

Please do keep cracking on though.

Complete and utter nonsense. Same sex marriage was introduced in Ireland 2 years after it was introduced in New Zealand so not a massive difference there. Yes, there are homophobes in Ireland but that is the case in all countries.

Your claim that most "Terfs" are over 50 is also nonsense. I replied to you previously about my experience of students and how the majority think trans activism is a load of nonsense and that males, no matter how they identify, are still male and should not be in female spaces.

Edited to add - the event was not anti-anything. It was about letting women speak about their experiences. I, and pretty much every other GC person I know, has no issue with LGB. We also have no issue wit T so long as they stay out of single sex spaces that belong to the opposite sex.

Yes I know yesterday's anti-trans event had one "token" teen girl speak at it. But come on, literally every other person speaking and supporting was middle aged or elderly.

The LGBT people and allies however, are made up of a varied age range including large numbers of the younger generations.

I know it can be hard to accept, but attitudes towards gay and trans people are improving as each generation passes. People are standing up to bigotry.

OchonAgusOchonOh, I would guess your students are just saying whatever will keep you happy to prevent you going off on an anti-trans lecture to them.

My students have absolutely no idea what my position on males in female spaces is so no, that is not the case. We regularly have robust classroom discussions with opposing viewpoints. I encourage that in my classroom so I expect they would have no issue raising the subject if they were interested.

Funnily enough, concern for the lecturers' position does not seem to prevent the TRA students in the humanities from regularly going off on one if the lecturer or other students are not seen as supportive enough of the trans position. I find it hard to imagine STEM students would be so much more cowed than students of the humanities, particularly as they are quite vocal on issues that matter to them.

No most of the women who spoke were not middle aged or elderly. One of the first speakers was a young Bi woman who previously organised the Pride Parade.

And again you ignore the basis of what you are on these threads supporting. That the generation of people 18-28 don’t speak out for fear of ostracism. From their friends, their work colleagues and their courses. You know, the very people YOU proclaim as the most tolerant.

Why would you expect women to risk their livelihoods by speaking at an event where they will be picked off, doxxed and cancelled? The thing is, just denying that the young women are out there won’t help you. Because the reality is that they will just find their voices as they get to a point where they can speak freely and continue the campaigning.

When you build your cause on falsehoods from the start, on a belief that are not supported by science and evidence, why do you expect anyone will believe you as those false foundations are exposed and crumble one by one? Your claims about age of women might make you feel good, it might give you bravado, but it is demonstrably false.

I expect that each year that YouGov poll is published that tracks the support for the mantra ‘transwomen are women’ it will show the growth of women finding their voice and saying no. It is really funny though that you do try to convince readers.

https://twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1703001332695654537

And a photo from yesterday's event I saw on Twitter. We can see a gender critical man "letting women speak".

As usual, it's a case of "let women speak, but only the ones who have the same views as we do on trans people".

The problem we have in assessing the prevalence of beliefs is that some are proscribed, and risk drawing threats, abuse and opprobrium if expressed.

Which is why we have anonymous internet forums to discuss them on. And why, when surveys are specific and detailed they show that the majority of people of every age hold views in accordance with those of most women on this board. Those numbers are growing all the time, and I note fewer and fewer people are willing to mouth absurdities like 'TWAW' anymore.

This is the trouble with trying to force people to accept things they don't agree with, and trying to compel and control and coerce people. It isn't sustainable. It makes for an unstable and unpredictable society. Authoritarianism never lasts for long - ideologies that are implemented by coercion undermine themselves even as they seek to assert themselves.