Billy Bragg

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Just watched Billy Bragg live. I was cheering along with the political stuff, climate change etc and then he starts with TWAW and I had to leave. Fucksake

Seriously why does this make him a misogynistic wanker

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@CallieQ - Billy, is that you?

He's always been outspoken about his beliefs. He has a right to them and a right to share them just as anyone has the right to turn over and watch something else

And, similarly, everyone has the right to challenges those views.

When a human with a penis insists that a human with a penis gets to wave that penis in areas that a human with a penis is not allowed to be, we tend to classify that human with a penis as misogynistic.

But that is just because some people think g that humans who dont have a penis should be allowed to have places where they can undress with out a humans with a penis being in the room. Or that it is not nice to call humans without a penis names when they point out that they think its not nice to demand that humans with a penis get to choose how much privacy humans without a penis are allowed in public spaces.

Its always odd when a human with a penis insists that some humans with a penis is not safe in the spaces that that humans with a penis uses. Like is that human with a penis the type who expect humans without a penis to do the work, to shift over and loose their public spaces so that the human with a penis can go on living the same lifestyle, it odd.

Billy Bragg is exactly the sort of man who ought to realise that trans women are men and help to progress the idea that men's spaces ought to be safe for them to use. He shouldn't be telling women they need to accept men in their spaces.

"Total champagne socialist misogynist twat". While I'll agree he is being mysogynistic and a twat he grew up in East London and his socialism is rooted in his background. "Champagne socialist" is not really appropriate.

He once said “There’s not much ideology in politics any more, and what COVID has done is highlight that the real struggle in society is between individual freedom and the concept of the greater good,” he says. Someone should remind him that the "greater good" means preserving rights for females.

Wonder what his wife, Judith, thinks of this. She should understand the need for safe spaces. for women.

Oh yes, Billy Bragg has form - it’s all over Twitter. DH and I like/follow a couple of bands on the folk scene and would have to agree that Folkies are an odd bunch…and that’s speaking as a pair of metalheads.😂

His wife's name is Juliet.

Being as it was in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, an area that is deeply conservative and voted to leave the EU I think the crowds response is interesting. It is indicative that whilst the Tories are busy chasing the red wall vote they may well be haemoraging votes in their traditional seats. Perhaps the MP for Riyadh and Moscow will start getting worried for his future.

He was on as the support act for Paul Heaton at Bridlington Spa last December. He did exactly the same then. I left to go to the bar until Paul came on.

He is at Moseley folk festival in Birmingham next weekend too. He replaced The Proclaimers who had to pull out.
Robin Ince is there too who has also shown himself to be a huge misogynist.
My husband was thinking of going but isn’t now.

Imagine the disappointment if you were hoping for The Proclaimers. Unless there's something I don't know and it turns out they are twats too

It's such as shame because I adored him in the 80s when I was a teenager but he's an absolute prick these days.

I was listening to The Saturday Boy the other week and thought Urgh, how did I miss this - even back then he was at it.

The audience for folk music and folk festivals is still mostly the same people who got into folk music in the 60s and 70s. They were young then and they're now pensioners. The 60s folk revival was very left-wing and many people who grew up with it retain that outlook at some level. I would bet the Guardian outsells other papers at folk festivals by a large margin.

I doubt it says anything about the political situation in Shrewsbury -- most of the audience will have travelled to be there.

This! Woman, know your place!

I'll go back to my childcare, cleaning & cooking (the 3c's because the 3r's are beyond me-and incorrect anyway) and my cute,fluffy kittens (which I'm training to take over the world bwahahaha).

Sure he has the right to his opinions, but when you are voicing whatever the fashionable leftie thing is, there is no risk to it.

He isn't going to lose sponsorship. He isn't going to have another festival cancel him. He isn't going to get kicked off Twitter. He doesn't actually have to properly defend his views in debate.

I think the tendency on the left, is that they think they get to define what counts as "hate speech", and then well they are just holding you "accountable" for your "hateful speech" when they try to cancel you.

How on Earth can you know by standing in a crowd that the people around you have ‘no idea of politics’?

If you’re so disparaging of ‘the folkies’ and don’t like all the trad stuff, why are you even there?

A lot of people who go to these festivals, like myself, believe in being kind and accepting of people from different backgrounds. I am not at all surprised that Billy Bragg and Grace Petrie would stand up for trans rights and that the crowd would cheer. Some of us have empathy for people who come from different backgrounds from ourselves.

LOL I meant I have no idea of their politics, and I am indeed a 'folkie'

I now have a good idea of yours though, and that you are not accepting of women's rights to not have men in their spaces

It might be worth you taking a look at a Transwidows threads on this very site. There are at least five of them.

Read a few posts. You'll see that 'different backgrounds' doesn't really apply as a characteristic. For many, if not most, it's the same backgrounds as anyone else.

believe in being kind and accepting of people from different backgrounds.

Well I believe in being kind and accepting of people from different backgrounds.

But I also think it's a moral failing if you aren't also applying other moral principles when you make judgements about things.

I also worry that people that say "be kind" on trans issues could be giving in to social pressure and conformity, whether they realise it or not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_foundations_theory

The lyrics from the Grace Petrie song you are referring to, Black Tie

”All our progress, I wonder what it’s for, when I dared to utter that trans lives matter and all I got was a TERF war”

In Grace’s own words
”The point of the song is the only clothes and genitals that are your business are yours, and f** transphobia”

But this happens all the time. Bands pull out and get replaced Yes of course it is disappointing if you were looking forward to that particular band I would much prefer to see the Proclaimers than Billy Brag but there will be other stages so just go and see something else. I can't get passed the irony of this thread wanting to shut him down. Why is his view not as equally important as those on this thread?

All are entitled to their view, all the views are valid on both sides he's a performer. I remember seeing stiff little fingers. , their lyrics and views support the IRA my uncle was severely injured by the IRA I actually enjoyed their performance and have seen them several times since. I can get by their views and take it for what it is I found it interesting listening to a different perspective that I didn't agree with. I'm bot suggesting that posters go and see something they aren't comfortable with but blimey just go to another stage