Should Uterus Transplantation for Transwomen and Transmen Be Subsidized?

[PorcelinaV]

https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/should-uterus-transplantation-transwomen-and-transmen-be-subsidized/2023-06

Yes. And there has been an inglorious history of transplanting monkey glands albeit for regenerative purposes rather than transformative of sex.

Serge Abrahamovitch Voronoff was a French surgeon of Russian origin who gained fame for his practice of xenotransplantation of monkey testicle tissues onto the testicles of men for purportedly as anti-aging therapy while working in France in the 1920s and 1930s.

The above is from Wikipaedia but this is more interesting if you have access.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-true-story-of-dr-voronoffs-plan-to-use-monkey-testicles-to-make-us-immortal

What kind of sicko has an abortion fetish?

They did nothing of the sort. Doctors in the USA can prescribe any licensed medication they like for any purpose. However, if the doctors prescribe a drug for an indication (ie disease) other than the one the drug is licensed for, then the prescribing doctor bears the risk of something goes wrong, not the pharma company. This is how it’s been for years and years. It’s the mechanism by which doctors can use existing medications for new and/or rare diseases.

And this is what FDA said. They said they don’t recommend doctors prescribe ivermectin for Covid as there is no evidence it works, but they can’t stop doctors prescribing it.

A lot of talk on this issue is fantasy, and I'm sure the well-made point about moving the Overton window is right. Let's not forget, though, the sheer ignorance and lack of intellectual curiosity and common sense that so often runs through discussions of topics like this.

A not insignificant number of people think women have two holes 'down there', not three. This is of course related to the view of the female body as a series of holes, a passive vessel waiting for a male to make use of these holes.

There is very little understanding of how complex women's bodies are or how they develop. I often see a casual assertion that all embyos start off as female and then some (the favoured half?) develop as male, very much implying that this is going to be the more complex of the two options. This is nonsense. All embryos develop in the same way to begin with, but from a weeks after conception, male embryos develop in one way and female embryos develop in another way. Female bodies are far more complicated than male ones, especially after puberty.

It doesn't surprise me that some people think a uterus could just be put into a male body and would work, because they have no grasp at all of all the complex inter-related systems that are involved in female bodies even when not pregnant, never mind the massively more complicated changes that happen when a woman is pregnant.

"What kind of sicko has an abortion fetish?"

The kind that demands access into female single sex spaces? The kind that tells female people that they are just like them just infertile because nature caused them to not develop ovaries? The kind that demand that they are treated as 'just like infertile women'? (which is hugely offensive and is very emotionally manipulative)

It’s anything to do with women that can be sexualised and fetishised. Women with placards saying ”My body my choice” gives some men a confusing mix of sexual desire, envy and anger about being not being able to hold a placard saying the same.

Now that menopause is being more openly spoken about, there are probably a lot of men developing menopause fetishes - fantasising about the mood swings and hot flushes, etc.

Even if women told men to “fuck right off and stay out of our space” there will be some men who are turned on by it and fantasise about saying it themselves.

yup.

The uterus is a plug and play organ apparently. You plug it in and everything magically happens. And the estrogen and other hormonal cocktails will simply turn on all the magic that happens in female bodies during carrying a foetus.

It is remarkable that people cannot understand that simply providing a hormone cocktail will not allow genes and coding to be overwritten and that a implanted body part kept alive with a blood supply will not just be a cosmetically implanted body organ that require full artificial monitoring and only ever artificial compounds to be injected to build a human.

The rhetoric is very much like that of people demanding that changing enough of the secondary sex characteristics of the human body artificially will 'change the sex' of a human being. It is ignorant, it is ludicrous yet it is embraced by some extremists.

A not insignificant number of people think women have two holes 'down there', not three.

Which one do they think is missing?

To be fair, even on FWR, we've had posters admitting that it was only during their 3rd experience of giving birth that they realised the vagina and urethra are separate.

Hence the 'clitoris is just the tip of a penis' memes.

That's what I was thinking of. My granny had this misconception, but she was born in 1903 and never had any science or health education.

But WHY?!?!? I'm as pro-choice as they come, full-on "as early as possible, as late as necessary, on demand, and free of charge" levels of pro-choice, and I still think that not getting pregnant in the first place is a better option. Never mind getting organs implanted and putting myself at risk of STIs from unprotected sex in order to get pregnant only to abort. There's something very wrong with that person.

There's something to be said for the 1970s feminism that came up with "Our Bodies Ourselves" and had women lying on their backs with hand mirrors.

My urethra is right at the edge of my introitus, I know this because I've looked at it! I definitely know that I am not pissing out of my clitoris. And yes, the glans clitoris developed from the same tissue as the glans penis, but they then developed differently. We all (bar chimeric babies, who developed from two cells) developed from a single cell, yet we don't claim that the brain is just a grey round liver because those two organs followed differing developmental paths.

Surveys indicate a striking deficit of awareness persists despite education and other factors.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/health/articles-reports/2019/03/08/half-brits-dont-know-where-vagina-and-its-not-just

Confusion about urinary incontinence and a prolapse…

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/may/30/most-britons-cannot-name-parts-vulva-survey

But you cannot say that vito. Acceptance without exception. This is a person expressing their need to have this happen so they can be the woman that they really knew they were.

And let's not mention that in this video, this male talks about having some much 'gay sex' to get pregnant. It really shows that all the terminology has been completely queered.

It is gay sex, two blokes, once you get past the gender identity obfuscation.

Guessing that 20% of british women use only pads, because you've got to know where the vagina is to put a cup or tampon up there. And we are supposed to buy the lie that "cervix haver" is accessible and clear health care messaging when so many women don't know their own anatomy? JFC.

Sorry, 46%. I got the 20%ish from a different bit of the article.

yes. But that is a sex realist opinion, if you know what I mean. That is an inconsistency that video.

Firstly, that is person is either lying or has not concept of what being a woman is. Some how they have either convinced themselves that they will have ovaries with viable eggs and an entire endocrine system implanted that could control the release of eggs to enable this male to get pregnant through sex with a male person. Or they know very well this is a complete fabrication and they are talking about something that will never ever happen.

Secondly, that they describe it as 'gay sex' meaning they are fully aware that they are male and they would be engaging in male to male sex.

This person seems to at least be acknowledging in their own mind that they are male and will remain so but that they are indulging in believing falsity.

NO WAY!!!!!

It’s never going to happen. The only doctors who will talk about it are idiots like Harrop who don’t actually have the intelligence, skills or knowledge to do a uterine transplant. Those with the skills to technically do it won’t do it partly because if the ethical issues but mainly because they know that the chances of a transplanted uterus in a male body with incorrect hormone levels gestating a fetus are 0%.

but idiots like writing daft articles like this one as it skirts the actual issue, it pretends that it’s a possibility/reality that this could happen when it isn’t.

To be fair, no one ever talks about implanting ovaries into men either, why? Because of the huge market for synthetic hormones.

As has been said time and time again, follow the money. Stonewall et al make money from campaigning, big pharma the money from the medication, surgeons the money from the surgery, woke companies the money from woke youngsters etc.

chances of a transplanted uterus in a male body with incorrect hormone levels gestating a fetus are 0%

That may be true of implanted uteri but we know from puberty blockers and reversibility that the truth/reality of the matter is irrelevant. When enough people repeat a lie and it's a staple truth of MSM, then it becomes true as far as the public understanding goes.

It even goes ahead as the foundation of suicide prevention policy and an area of urgent unmet need in healthcare.

Absolutely. People need to push back hard and point out it isn’t possible and won’t be happening rather than get bogged down talking about fairytales of who will pay for an impossible thing which won’t be happening

There is very little understanding of how complex women's bodies are or how they develop. I often see a casual assertion that all embyos start off as female and then some (the favoured half?) develop as male, very much implying that this is going to be the more complex of the two options. This is nonsense. All embryos develop in the same way to begin with, but from a weeks after conception, male embryos develop in one way and female embryos develop in another way. Female bodies are far more complicated than male ones, especially after puberty.

Yes, that particularly irks me too.

TW are very keen on fairy tales though it seems, and the perpetuation of those fairy tales.
A popular TW just popped up in my Youtube feed. They are now planning to marry their formerly gay partner, have babies together, and they are contemplating "breastfeeding" which is apparently easy as you "just take progesterone" (incorrect actually). The absolute shite these people spout is just mind boggling. Never mind the obvious fact that there again, is NO thought for the child, it's ALL about validating their existence as a "woman". Cue the fawning comments about what a great "mother" this person is going to make.
Sickening.

They are more than happy to perpetuate myths about how close we are to males having babies, breastfeeding etc.