Should Uterus Transplantation for Transwomen and Transmen Be Subsidized?

[PorcelinaV]

https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/should-uterus-transplantation-transwomen-and-transmen-be-subsidized/2023-06

Although Frankenstein was the surgeon who created monster, most people think of and refer to the monster when they think of Mary Shelleys seminal character. A story with great relevance to this sad concept.

First of all no. They can’t gestate children even if they had a successful womb transplant. The science is there

Second of all..no they can pay

Safety is only ever relative, never absolute. In order for a woman to undergo this it involves a general anaesthetic and that alone carries risk. Immunosuppressants puts you at high risk of infection and side effects of the drugs can be severe and are considered to shorten life expectancy themselves. Women who have had this surgery have done so just to get pregnant so the transplant is removed once the baby is born, so they can stop immunosuppressants.

Any male going on puberty blockers before puberty has started will be sterile, this (whilst still not medically possible) will be used to say "well you may be sterilised, but you'll soon be able to become pregnant" (and probably won't even due say that any child won't be biologically theirs either).

I see this as nothing but a promotional tool to get more males to transition. In America it's big business for the medical industry, whilst in the UK pharmaceuticals make money selling the hormones etc to the NHS.

Medically this may never be possible, at the very least it is decades away, but today this is being used as a promotional tool to get more males to transition.

Good point. And the sad thing is, mums like SG, will tell their little boys that it’s all going to be available soon. ‘A little operation’.

It’s such a screwed up self-perpetuating and augmenting circle of interests between delusional people, sicko Dr Frankenstein-type scientists and big pharma on the make. It’s like society has a computer virus.

"It’s like society has a computer virus."

I wish there was a societal equivalent of "Control/Alt/Delete".

Never going to happen. My cynical view is that I love the idea of men/transwomen being able to get pregnant, think of all the wonderful selling points:

• risk of unwanted pregnancy
• contraception - I’m sure men are going to love having a coil fitted
• morning after pill - side effects
• abortion
• painful periods
• endometriosis
• Pregnancy - morning sickness, haemorrhoids, tiredness
• child birth
• being told at work your pregnant not ill
• facing maternity and pregnancy discrimination
• taking a hit to your career
• taking a hit to your pension
• ……

Just think women can say oh I’m in a crucial point of my career you have the first DC and I’ll do number 2. 😂

Trust me the first man to go through this would be the last.

Immunosuppressants puts you at high risk of infection and side effects of the drugs can be severe and are considered to shorten life expectancy themselves. Women who have had this surgery have done so just to get pregnant so the transplant is removed once the baby is born, so they can stop immunosuppressants.

Meanwhile, pregnant women must not drink much coffee or tea, are encouraged to avoid any alcohol, definitely must not eat mold-ripened cheeses or soft-boiled eggs, the nitrites in cured meats are bad for the baby, tuna may give the baby mercury poisoning, ibuprofen might harm the baby's kidneys. But, hey, immunosuppressants - Some immunosuppressive drugs are teratogenic and should be replaced even before the pregnancy, while other drugs need to be managed with caution to prevent fetal risks, including miscarriage, intrauterine growth restriction, prematurity, and low birth weight. - fill yer boots! Man-feelz override any considerations for the resultant child.

Quote taken from: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6306731/#sec13-jcm-07-00552title - an article about how to support pregnancy in women who are obliged to take immunosuppressants.

pregnant women must not drink much coffee or tea, are encouraged to avoid any alcohol, definitely must not eat mold-ripened cheeses or soft-boiled eggs, the nitrites in cured meats are bad for the baby, tuna may give the baby mercury poisoning, ibuprofen might harm the baby's kidneys

Can expect to receive lectures from strangers in public if they take a sip of a wine cooler or light a cigarette—can even be imprisoned in some parts of the world (including US states like Alabama that recognise "chemical endangerment") for substance misuse but…academia does love thought games and ethical discussions that somehow make it into real world policy with all sorts of unintended consequences.

There are “clinicians” who say not to vaccinate your kids because vaccines are toxic & cause autism; who say covid is just a cold [best treated with horse wormer]; & who say puberty blockers are “safe & reversible” (outwith usage in precocious puberty). Some clinicians maintaining something so patently false & ridiculous is hardly surprising, though always disappointing.

No offense, but by sheer coincidence I just read an article yesterday explaining how the FDA has acknowledged that it distorted the facts around the so-called "horse-wormer", and promoted ridicule of the idea because there was no money in it for the pharmaceuticals.

The pharmaceutical companies are so twisted, that they will do anything to make money, even sterilise children.

And I personally got vaccinated and cannot even remember the name of the "horse wormer"

You wanna bet these poor oppressed, vulnerable people wouldn't shoot straight to the top of the list over a mere woman?

I seem to remember not so long ago there was a national shortage of HRT drugs for women, but somehow, male women (!) were still able to get their "HRT" therapy.

Bang on!

One of the creepiest aspects of this is the idea that transmen, i.e. females, will be queuing up to have their uteruses removed, and that means they can then be donated to transwomen. The health implications for both are horrific. The medical profession should find its spine and say no, loudly and often.

@Coyoacan where did you read such an article? Conspiracy theorists have taken recent statements from the FDA regarding ivermectin and twisted them into pretzels. A good explanation here : https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/23729915.ivermectin-cover-up-fda-really-get-wrong/

don’t you think that if ivermectin worked for Covid that pharma companies would be chomping at the bit to flog an existing relatively cheap medicine with a mark up and rake in the cash, rather than spend tens of millions on clinical trials of new medicines that may or may not work? But it doesn’t work, so they couldn’t.

Trust me the first man to go through this would be the last.

Just imagine the mansplaining, which would of course be widely publicised because of the novelty and shock value.

TW: 'Did you know that periods are actually really messy and painful?'
Interviewer: 'Really? I'm so sorry to hear that. How you must be suffering.'

TW: 'I'm not gonna lie, childbirth is excruciatingly painful, and there are long-lasting effects on the body. I'm actually in therapy now trying to come to terms with the loss of my six-pack.'
Interviewer: 'Wow, you've had such a lot to cope with! Well done you.'

TW: 'Mastitis is the pits! Breastfeeding is actually quite demanding.'
Interviewer: 'But it's so incredible you did this for your kiddo! You're an amazing person.'

Etc etc.

WHAT

No

They can all fuck right off.

Maybe they could look at ACTUAL male infertility which brings grief to many men and women around the world, and see if they can do anything about that.

I'm still furious that the only medical solution to DH and I being unable to have kids in the traditional method was for ME to have all sorts of injections, drugs, chemicals and treatments when there is nothing fucking wrong with my fertility, plus the privileged of paying for it to happen. So, no kids.

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g exactly they would get awards, a Nobel prize etc.

Genuinely interested in this- why did you take yourself off? Are there other reasons? Obvs this might be a really private matter and feel free to tell me to do one but now I'm feeling like there's something about organ donation that I don't know!

I haven't taken myself off the organ donation register, although I think I am now probably too old to be of use from that point of view. As far as I can recall, the UK organ transplant register has confirmed that uterus transplants are not on their list so nobody who goes on the register is consenting to have their uterus removed for transplant/implant purposes. Additionally, they don't just rely on being on the register. Next of kin are also consulted before an organ is removed for transplant. My next of kin are in no doubt that my uterus stays where it is, no matter who wants it.

I used to work with a couple of people whose lives had been saved and greatly prolonged by kidney donations. One of them was on his second. I wouldn't want to do anything to damage the chances of someone like him getting a much needed transplant.

Would a transwoman even be able to successfully carry a pregnancy beyond a certain point? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that no amount of cross sex hormones can change the shape of your pelvic bone structure, and people who were not born with the female version just wouldn't have enough space within their body for a growing foetus, wouldn't it crush all their other organs? I know my organs were crushed enough during late pregnancy, I could barely put my socks on without getting out of breath, I can only imagine it would be much worse for someone with significantly narrower, i.e. male, hips.

Fionnula

What you are missing is the victimhood that could be claimed from this issue.

Plus, we have been told on this board by male people, that they just would have a c-section. No worries apparently. It is breezily dismissed.

The pp is correct. The Supreme Court in the US ruled recently doctors can prescribe ivermectin for Covid. It’s not horse paste. It’s a Nobel winning medication for humans. It’s taken by millions of people on a weekly basis. They couldn’t have an emergency use authorisation vaccine if they had a drug that worked. Follow the money. The pharma companies were paid money to research the vaccines and then granted immunity for liability. Win, win, win.

Does anyone ever discuss the opposite possibility, of a TM receiving transplanted testicles? Why is that, I wonder?