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cariadlet · 30/09/2023 16:18

TrainedByCats · 30/09/2023 15:38

I noticed that as well. I assume the principles for who they’d accept money from are back from when they were trying to be an ethical party and haven’t been updated by the middle class privileged children who think sex work is work and have never met a trafficked woman or encountered someone with not enough money to feed their children

The TRA Green Party Women Co-Chair organised a panel event this year where all the speakers supported the Green Party decrim policy.

The GC committee members (who see prostitution as a form of VAWG and support the Nordic Model) were not happy about being linked to the event.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/09/2023 20:32

It'll be their own fault then, won't it? If they hadn't acted illegally there would be no money to pay.

Exactly. And no, I don't think Shahrar Ali was the first case announced, so the other two were not opportunistically "off the back" of his, what a loaded, biased way of presenting it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/09/2023 20:34

The TRA Green Party Women Co-Chair

From what I can see on social media she's a complete waste of space.

cariadlet · 30/09/2023 20:41

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/09/2023 20:34

The TRA Green Party Women Co-Chair

From what I can see on social media she's a complete waste of space.

Yep.

And the report that she's put out on Twitter is appalling.

Froodwithatowel · 30/09/2023 21:18

Chersfrozenface · 30/09/2023 09:17

BBC News site today.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-66935750

It'll be their own fault then, won't it? If they hadn't acted illegally there would be no money to pay.

This. ^^

It's a free country: those in favour of extremism can fund themselves. It will be interesting to see how many are willing and who they are, and if the party will find itself becoming little more than a branch of Stonewall.

ArabeIIaScott · 01/10/2023 06:51

The money.is the least of their worries. What they really are going to need to watch is people finding out how the party has been taken over by hostile bad faith authoritarians.

If the wider membership start to hear about it it will be interesting to see what happens ....

BonfireLady · 01/10/2023 07:49

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/09/2023 20:32

It'll be their own fault then, won't it? If they hadn't acted illegally there would be no money to pay.

Exactly. And no, I don't think Shahrar Ali was the first case announced, so the other two were not opportunistically "off the back" of his, what a loaded, biased way of presenting it.

Very true about the potential loaded bias (good old BBC) but the net effect on the reader could go either way:
Readers assume they are copycaters who are opportunistically having a go or that it's such a clear cut case that anyone else who believes they are also being discriminated against in this way is likely to come forward because they will probably win too. The BBC is anything but balanced on this whole topic but at some point they'll need to change that, otherwise (as everything gets clearer in the public discourse) they'll find themselves being irrelevant, with people en masse going elsewhere for their news.

TodayInahurry · 01/10/2023 07:58

The BBC is now so far left and bigoted I rarely watch it, especially the news

fromorbit · 01/10/2023 12:18

One problem for the Greens is the cases while have similarities in they all know biology exists are dealing with different circumstances.

Shahrar Ali was elected as a spokesman and also was a leading figure inside the party being Deputy leader, and getting a decent number of votes in campaigns to be elected as leader.

Emma Bateman was a leading member inside Green Party Women who actually wanted to focus on women.

Dawn Furness was targeted because she fought against the coverup of the horrific Challenor case.

Each case highlights a different aspect of sexism and bigotry in the Greens.

cariadlet · 01/10/2023 22:34

Pink News having a go at Green Party Women.
twitter.com/PinkNews/status/1708486933494518069?t=ALgtsfN4gsc0F6KN0WDZ5Q&s=19

TheGreatATuin · 02/10/2023 00:01

cariadlet · 01/10/2023 22:34

I've been following this. It's mind boggling, and a quite extraordinary display of a lack of any self awareness.
Weirdly, I keep feeling embarrassed on the trans activists behalf. It's difficult to watch young people get it so wrong so publicly and not cringe hard.
The GPW Committee has shown incredible grace under fire. I have a lot of admiration for them.

ImNotWorthy · 02/10/2023 00:04

Pot. Kettle. Green.

fromorbit · 02/10/2023 11:01

Green Party Women are winning. See below for their response to this.

The sheer bigotry of this stage of Gender activists works against them. The old school of more reasonable and more insidious activists have been replaced by a new breed which is incapable of dealing with resistance except through authoritarian measures. Which leaves them helpless when they don't have institutional power.

Green Party Women Co-Chair is running away from the fight because she is incapable of arguing her case. Which leaves gender realists more solidly in control of Green Party Women structures.

When the Greens lose their court cases GPW will be ready to move forward and push for more rights for women in the party.

Meanwhile this whole drama and the Pink News reporting is encouraging bigots to leave the Green Party women group and even the Greens. See this twitter thread and its replies.

https://twitter.com/bond_louise/status/1708111592703840319

As reality sets in the activists will turn on those still inside the Greens as being as evil as readers of Harry Potter.

SHahrar Ali is taking the Green party to court
IcakethereforeIam · 02/10/2023 11:06

How can you be a 'part-time vegetarian'? From Bond's twitter bio.

I'm glad GPW are being so assertive.

ArabeIIaScott · 02/10/2023 11:49

IcakethereforeIam · 02/10/2023 11:06

How can you be a 'part-time vegetarian'? From Bond's twitter bio.

I'm glad GPW are being so assertive.

Oh, that's easy. I'm part time vegetarian, just in between meal times.

JanesLittleGirl · 02/10/2023 14:30

ArabeIIaScott · 02/10/2023 11:49

Oh, that's easy. I'm part time vegetarian, just in between meal times.

I can vegetarian during a meal. I'm a vegetarian while eating the chips, mushrooms and onions. Not so much when I have a chunk of steak in my gob.

donquixotedelamancha · 02/10/2023 21:50

IcakethereforeIam · 02/10/2023 11:06

How can you be a 'part-time vegetarian'? From Bond's twitter bio.

I'm glad GPW are being so assertive.

Dead simple: you eat meat but you identify as vegetarian.

It's not 2014 anymore. We don't define vegetarianism by outmoded, colonialist ideas about what people eat.

ImNotWorthy · 02/10/2023 22:03

I was brought up an omnivore, as was the norm. In my 20s, decades ago, I used to be a proper vegetarian, and a pretty good vegetarian cook.

The lure of a bacon sandwich, to someone who once used to love them, is hard to resist. I know the occasional bacon sandwich is not strictly speaking veggie, but the flesh is weak.

In a crisis, they became irresistable. Eventually I went back to eating meat. And now think a frugal respectful omnivore diet is better all round.

IcakethereforeIam · 07/10/2023 14:48

Good article about the Green Party in the Critic

https://thecritic.co.uk/it-isnt-easy-being-a-gender-critical-green/

I liked this paragraph re. GC beliefs being protected under the EA

What’s more, the party seems to know this. I have obtained a document that appears to be legal advice obtained by the party on how to handle the sex and gender issue. The advice is unequivocal — the party is an “association” as defined by the Equality Act and therefore must abide by its anti-discrimination rules. Which means “the Green Party cannot discriminate against, harass, or victimise members with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment or members with gender critical beliefs.” (The party was emailed to confirm or deny the veracity of this document and have not responded as of the publication of this piece.)

Maya's and Allison's cases are referenced in the hyperlink.

At the end, the writer name checks the three cases I knew of but says there are more in the pipeline. IANAL but I think the Green Party is toast. I hope other political parties currently discriminating against GC members are watching.

It isn’t easy being a gender critical Green | Nathan Williams | The Critic Magazine

This weekend the Green Party is gathering for its Autumn conference in Brighton. Given the increasing urgency of the climate crisis and the appalling record of the current government you might think…

https://thecritic.co.uk/it-isnt-easy-being-a-gender-critical-green

cariadlet · 09/10/2023 02:50

If anyone is on Twitter/X, I'd recommend searching for Emma Bateman's account and watching her video of Emma confronting Chesca Walton, co-chair of Green Party Women who had just torn down the Green Women's Declaration banner, outside the Green Party Conference in Brighton.

Helleofabore · 09/10/2023 08:16

That was something to watch cariadlet. That supposed leader showed appallingly that they had no leadership at all. Triggered by women talking about women’s needs, well, the wrong women talking about the wrong women’s needs.

And all with a Costco disposable cup! Such a great person to be leading the Greens Party Women.

WarriorN · 09/10/2023 08:24

Excellent response from Baroness Jenny Jones of the Green Party:

x.com/greenjennyjones/status/1711038428903555096?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

SHahrar Ali is taking the Green party to court
Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/10/2023 09:22

If anyone is on Twitter/X, I'd recommend searching for Emma Bateman's account and watching her video of Emma confronting Chesca Walton, co-chair of Green Party Women who had just torn down the Green Women's Declaration banner, outside the Green Party Conference in Brighton.

It's also linked on the FWR thread about the recent Green Party article about being a GC Green.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/10/2023 09:26

Green Party Deputy Leader on being 'gender critical' www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4914626-green-party-deputy-leader-on-being-gender-critical

cariadlet · 09/10/2023 18:59

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/10/2023 09:26

Thanks @Ereshkigalangcleg
I had missed that thread.

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