SHahrar Ali is taking the Green party to court

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Over "fanatical clampdown on legitimate debate"
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1cd0a19a-3e7b-11ee-87d9-ff29f95b54f7?shareToken=743d9060f8ee7dda519c50fb93882b73

I don't either Snowy! That was what one poster on that thread was claiming. Just highlighting it as one view.

And an instance where GI, if not TWAW, was discussed in court in context of Grainger etc

I think people are over-complicating this. NWORIADS beliefs were, until not so long ago, considered to be those beliefs that normal people would turn their noses up at as being repugnant. Then the post-2015 madness hit and the Establishment was suddenly telling everyone that to believe there was a difference between a woman and a man saying he was a woman was effectively Nazism. The Forstater EAT judgment called the bluff on that and the judge reaffirmed that we're best off with material reality.

But it cuts the other way. In terms of "Nazism or not?", genderism is mad but our democratic society is liberal enough to accept that some people will have it as their faith.

That's separate from accepting that we must be relaxed about accepting that genderism is the only way to order our society.

thanks @nauticant

Latest bonus fallout from the win Patrick Harvie is shamed again-
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/patrick-harvie-shamed-hes-accused-32094360

Excellent!

I remember when PH was cool. It was a wee while back likesay

It looks as though Shahrar is going to be on Andrew Doyle's Free Speech Nation tonight.
twitter.com/ShahrarAli/status/1756772007499211211?t=rCp6bst7eFOmieP6UCAccw&s=19

I forgot the screenshots for those not on Twitter.

Sharar is on the segment coming up next.

Just started!

And after the break, Joan Smith talking about women's rights in the Labour Party.

...and did she?
or was that a joke?

Clip here

x.com/gbnews/status/1756787487723135164?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Someone upthread mentioned that the question of whether gi/twaw beliefs meet the grainger criteria was raised in the rape crisis case. I noticed that too following tribunal tweets. It was one of the angles that the barrister used. It didn't seem to be a main angle but it was there, and I wonder if the judgment will address the question.

I think the point was that while two sets of beliefs were in play - those of employer and the employee suing - they weren't booth equal because the employer's beliefs do not attract any protection from the law. Only the employee's do. So she could not have been expected to fall in with their values/beliefs of the organisation.

Ianal but I expect gi/twaw beliefs would be protected. They would surely be woriads because the bar for that is set low. They are important, about a weighty part of life etc. If they fail I think its more likely to be based on the coherence because there is so much internal contradiction - a fact that is covered over by slogans and generalisations.

Where the WORIADS test will struggle with GI, is that the beliefs must not involve impacting on or harming other people's rights and equality.

They fundamentally do. There is a lack of tolerance or acceptance that others may not agree TWAW and should be allowed to say so and not participate in someone else's belief or use their chosen words. There is a lack of tolerance and flat out anger for/ active attempts to remove sex based rights and the ability to have a single sex space actually meaning sex for women. And so on. Every case brought so far has been those with GI beliefs attempting to control, punish, exclude and harm heretics.

It's not a live and let live in parallel belief system.

The next Green Women's Declaration webinar will be interesting in light of the Shahrar Ali verdict.

Sarah Phillimore will be talking about governance, policy and the law in the Green Party.
us06web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZIsd-moqzwjHtyLqSl3kXhO4J2m1DbYwpAG

I'd say that twaw falls down at point 5, as twaw is incompatible with womens human dignity and in conflict with the fundamental rights of others ie women and children.

I'd query ii) as well actually

Anyone in GPW, voting closes today.

Email was sent on 8th Feb with links.

Good article about the judgement in The Critic.
thecritic.co.uk/how-the-greens-blackened-their-name/

Great piece, thank you for sharing.

I binned the Greens off in disgust so it's too late for me, but I hope the existing members will take his advice.

@teateawamutu Please come back! We need as many sensible members as possible.

Green Party Women commitee election results have just been announced. The committee is 100% GC and is bound to come under renewed attack from the TRAs in the Party.

In fact, I would urge all sensible, environmentally minded women to join the Green Party to support the GC members - it's only a few quid a year if you go for the lowest membership rate.

I think the Green Party have entirely lost the plot. They are determined to financially destroy themselves…

“But even this is just the tip of the iceberg. In the past few months, the party purity police have been in overdrive. I already mentioned my own suspension — but anybody that attempts to stand up for freedom of speech has faced their own “procedural unfairness”. Green Party Women has raised concerns over how women with GC views have been treated, for which the co-chair Zoe Hatch has been suspended (joining her two predecessors who have also faced suspension or expulsion). Now it’s the Green Seniors Group which has refused to bow down — leading to 3 of their committee being suspended without trial (the infamous No Fault Suspensions). This includes Eric Walker — 99 years old and still highly active, making him an absolute legend of the party.”

I'm really stuck between 'I need SOMEONE to vote for' and 'I don't fund misogyny'.

If I join now, won't it be taken as endorsement of the utter twattery emanating from the top?

If you're a brand new rejoinee, what would you advise to make a mark as quickly as possible for the GC/sane side (in the interests of being able to focus on the sodding environment again at some point)?