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Sureaseggs44 · 26/08/2023 14:14

fromorbit · 25/08/2023 09:25

Last day in court. Getting so tense. I think verdict will be announced sometime after next week maybe? Surely there is no way the bigots in the Greens can get away with their nonsense? I don't have much legal knowledge but the GPEW case seems completely lacking and SA's case seems so strong.

There is so much riding on this. If we win then gender crits in other parties and in jobs across UK have a real chance of fighting back. It will expose the lies. It will build on Maya's win in real practical ways.

There is so little discussion of this online it is interesting. Obviously the GPeW don't want to talk about their trainwreck. Yet the thread here isn't even that busy.

I agree because I had problems finding the thread and yet this could be a historical ruling with regards to a political party .

I am doing my best to spread on Twitter .

cariadlet · 26/08/2023 14:38

I'm hoping that there will be much more coverage in the press and on social media in October when we get the judgement.

Interesting timing because of the political party Autumn conferences.

Grammarnut · 30/08/2023 08:02

Zodfa · 20/08/2023 08:10

Personally, I think the Greens have made the wrong decision. Legally, though? Surely a political party is allowed to discriminate on the basis of political views. You'd get kicked out of the Greens if you opposed green energy. You'd get kicked out of the Tories if you supported communism. If you don't like it join another party, or make your own.

But gender ideology has nothing to do with being green. One can be a Tory and believe in TWAW or not believe in it, so why not the Greens?

RainWithSunnySpells · 30/08/2023 08:16

I wonder what all these extra hormones being taken due to cross-sex identities is having on the envirionment? Has it been looked into? Is there any impact to hormone levels in water due to this or no impact? If there is an impact, what is the scale?

Has the Green Party looked into this?

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 30/08/2023 09:42

From that article above:

Warnings of a failure to remain a “going concern” in company accounting – as set out opaquely in the latest GPEW accounts – mean there’s a prospect of an organisation going bust in the next 12 months.

A source within the party, who we have granted anonymity to, in order for them to speak openly about the issue, shed light on the potential liabilities. The insider said: “There is the possibility that the party will go bust in the next 12 months because of the potential of ongoing legal claims…

“What it can do is put the party in a position where it can’t employ staff any more and its member income is basically going on servicing the debt. The assumption is at this point many members will leave etc. so the income will go down. It’s not really about the compensation – which at £34,000 isn’t much in the scheme of things – it’s the legal costs to defend.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 30/08/2023 09:45

I would personally love it if the greens bankrupted themselves fighting court cases over their trans policies. Destroy the party that is supposed to put the environment first and foremost, by spending all their money in court on cases that have absolutely nothing to do with the environment. It would be a fairly effective demonstration of the utter lunacy and pure selfishness of trans ideology.

TrainedByCats · 30/08/2023 10:40

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 30/08/2023 09:45

I would personally love it if the greens bankrupted themselves fighting court cases over their trans policies. Destroy the party that is supposed to put the environment first and foremost, by spending all their money in court on cases that have absolutely nothing to do with the environment. It would be a fairly effective demonstration of the utter lunacy and pure selfishness of trans ideology.

Agreed I want a political party that focuses on environmental issues. I wouldn't stay as a member, tbh I should leave as a member now, they don’t want women like me as members and there’s not going to be anything left to try and influence for the better.

RebelliousCow · 30/08/2023 10:49

RainWithSunnySpells · 30/08/2023 08:16

I wonder what all these extra hormones being taken due to cross-sex identities is having on the envirionment? Has it been looked into? Is there any impact to hormone levels in water due to this or no impact? If there is an impact, what is the scale?

Has the Green Party looked into this?

Quite!

For a party supposedly dedicated to ecology and the holistic thinking - there is a whole lot of total disregard, and respect, for the body and for the fac t that human beings are as much a part of nature and the natural cycle as any other organism.

duc748 · 30/08/2023 11:05

I was a bit surprised to read, though, in the side-bar to that piece, that being anti Drag Queen Story Hour is 'normalising hate' and all who do so are Nazis or religious nutters. Cos it's not highly sexualised at all. Oh no, sirree, Bob.

Chersfrozenface · 30/08/2023 11:59

From the beginning of this nonsense my stance has been, if the Green Party is so anti-science, anti-biology, anti-reality on the subject of human sex, why the hell should anyone believe a word they say about the science and reality of climate change and actions to mitigate it, if it does exist?

Floisme · 30/08/2023 12:06

I've only ever voted Green once in a local election (and that was largely because I knew the candidate personally and trusted them). But I still have an uneasy feeling about this,m. Much as my inner 12 year-old wants to point and laugh, I would much rather see misogynists and ideologues consigned to oblivion at the ballot box.

BezMills · 30/08/2023 12:13

I think the GPEW should have done an internal review, apologised to SA and put the MRA patrol back in their box. Would be a lot cheaper and less embarrassing than... this (gestures at massively expensive, distracting legal extravaganza)

hihelenhi · 30/08/2023 12:13

I'm not sure that the Greens bankrupting themselves over this is a good thing, tbh. All that will happen is there'll be a narrative of "See what the nasty gendercrits did to the only party that cares about the environment" and it'll be even more demonisation and being the baddies. Even though they've done it to themselves and even though few in their leadership seem to be questioning how this crap is supporting the environment in any way whatsoever or how it fits in with Green values.

User601 · 30/08/2023 13:55

Zodfa · 20/08/2023 08:10

Personally, I think the Greens have made the wrong decision. Legally, though? Surely a political party is allowed to discriminate on the basis of political views. You'd get kicked out of the Greens if you opposed green energy. You'd get kicked out of the Tories if you supported communism. If you don't like it join another party, or make your own.

"Religious discrimination" as protected in the Equality Act doesn't cover political views, only religious and philosophical views. Believing in the reality of biological sex has been found to come under that.

DuesToTheDirt · 30/08/2023 18:20

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/08/2023 19:43

Labour U.K. subreddit take. Several repeating the common TRA myth that you can believe that males aren't women but can't express it. One more thoughtful TRA poster trying in vain to explain the Forstater judgment to those posters.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LabourUK/comments/15zzv65/greenpartyytakentoocourtoverrgendercriticalrow/?utmmsource=share&utmmedium=iossapp&utmname=ioscss&utmmcontent=1&utm_term=1

The comments on that are pretty depressing.

"Id be surprised if the courts back him, how's a party supposed to have a platform if members can demand their conflicting views (i refuse to call it a belief because its just bigotry not a religion) are acceptable."

"Gender Critical is just a cute, vaguely more socially acceptable, way of saying transphobe,"

etc.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/08/2023 19:11

They're all a bit unhinged on the trans threads on that subreddit though. I think the normal posters stay away from them and it's just TRAs. There are quite a number of MTFs on them.

Chersfrozenface · 30/09/2023 09:17

BBC News site today.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-66935750

It'll be their own fault then, won't it? If they hadn't acted illegally there would be no money to pay.

Signalbox · 30/09/2023 11:23

Chersfrozenface · 30/09/2023 09:17

BBC News site today.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-66935750

It'll be their own fault then, won't it? If they hadn't acted illegally there would be no money to pay.

Plus they’ve got 2 further cases pending I think. Emma Bateman plus one other.

Wetandhorrible · 30/09/2023 15:07

Interesting to note that for ethical reasons they don't accept money from funds connected to pornography, but they're big believers that sex work is work: seems an odd contradiction.

duc748 · 30/09/2023 15:24

But for other people's daughters, obviously.

TrainedByCats · 30/09/2023 15:38

Wetandhorrible · 30/09/2023 15:07

Interesting to note that for ethical reasons they don't accept money from funds connected to pornography, but they're big believers that sex work is work: seems an odd contradiction.

I noticed that as well. I assume the principles for who they’d accept money from are back from when they were trying to be an ethical party and haven’t been updated by the middle class privileged children who think sex work is work and have never met a trafficked woman or encountered someone with not enough money to feed their children

Rightsraptor · 30/09/2023 15:49

I was interested to read in the BBC piece that the other two looming legal cases were described as being off the back of Sharar's case. I'm not sure that's an accurate statement at all.

BonfireLady · 30/09/2023 16:11

Chersfrozenface · 30/09/2023 09:17

BBC News site today.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-66935750

It'll be their own fault then, won't it? If they hadn't acted illegally there would be no money to pay.

Interesting development. Lining themselves up for an acceptance of guilt.
Yes, very much their own fault!

cariadlet · 30/09/2023 16:15

Rightsraptor · 30/09/2023 15:49

I was interested to read in the BBC piece that the other two looming legal cases were described as being off the back of Sharar's case. I'm not sure that's an accurate statement at all.

The other 2 cases are Emma Bateman and Dawn Furness. They'll be heard after the result of Shahrar's case but are most definitely not being brought on the back of his case.