Comedy event cancelled at the Fringe because of Glinner?

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I hadn't seen anything about this on X/Twitter previously, but apparently some activists have been putting pressure on the venue and they've cancelled an upcoming event called Comedy Unleashed because one of the comedians is Graham Linehan. How utterly pathetic. https://twitter.com/UnleashedComedy/status/1691476377793409024?s=20 Seems to be organised by/associated with Andrew Doyle, aka Titania McGrath.

You'd need to ask Linehan. He's the one who said it.

And trans activists feel they are justified too.

I don't need the reasoning, I literally dont care, from either side.

The protected belief is that there are two sexes, that people cannot change sex and that in law, sex matters.

The legality of other statements comes under a different part of Civil Law, ie it’s not libel if it’s true.

Do you want us to make a list of the many transactivists who have been accused of (and often convicted of) sex crimes?
They aren’t all transgender people btw, lots of them are ‘Trans Allies’ (Queer Theory/Gender Ideology creates safeguarding failures, so predators glom onto it, unsurprisingly).

It's a false comparison, for all the reasons given. A lame attempt to derail the thread.

Why are you making it all about feelings when the examples I am using are actions? Feelings are immaterial. The law & safeguarding frameworks that exist in law are the important bit.

Also, why are you even posting on this thread if you don’t care about either side?

But people don't get to avoid the consequences of non-protected beliefs just because they also hold protected beliefs.

Just because someone holds a protected belief about trans people, that does not compel a venue to provide them a service even if they have also expressed non-protected beliefs which the venue considers to be out of step with its ethos or to be hate speech etc.

Ah, must have missed the part where there was a law against drag storytime. Silly me. So many crimes!

Says internet random with no evidence or context

Lineham has said some stupid things, maybe he said this

but right now, until you provide a bit more, I don’t believe you

EQ10 prohibits the denial of service based on protected characteristics, one of which is GC belief.

They cannot discriminate in this manner because it’s against the law.

Owning a business doesn’t mean you can disregard the laws of the country in which your business operates.

You seem to have determined that the meaning is not a protected belief though?

But I need to ask someone else the meaning?

So you don't know what it means but do know that what it means is not a protected belief?

But Linehan did say Owen Jones should not work again until he apologised for his views

Is that a boycott or a cancellation?

Did he have some kind of power over Jones' employers? If Jones was discriminated against on the grounds of his genderist beliefs or any other protected characteristic then he can also bring a claim, I'm not sure why you think it's a gotcha. It's the venue who are bound not to discriminate, not the people complaining.

I think this cancellation attempt is great awareness raising - just in time for an interview in the weekend papers. Hope it happens

I mean I don't really mind if you believe me or not.

The fact remains, the belief that 'nearly all central trans figures are nonces' is not just not a protected belief, it is extraordinarily close to hate speech.

And a venue is entirely free to reject providing a platform to someone who engaged in that sort of speech.

Where is the source for this alleged quote? Link?

The notion that a business can do whatever it likes is bonkers right wing libertarianism.

It sort of makes everything you say bollocks if you can’t prove your central tenet though dunnit?

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You don't think it's at all relevant that GL and his defenders is complaining about being cancelled, but have no problems in supporting the cancellation of others?

Cor, some people really struggle with the difference between things people do and things people say when mouthing off on twitter

A venue really isn’t entirely free to renege on a contract because they don’t like something someone might’ve said somewhere to someone.

As the venue is no doubt about to find out, due to the civil case they have invited upon themselves.

Have you seen the contract?

You don't think it's at all relevant that GL and his defenders is complaining about being cancelled, but have no problems in supporting the cancellation of others?

Just like many people on the other side would support cancellation for everyone but themselves. And round and round we go. It has no bearing on anything apart from how you feel about Linehan. It isn't relevant to whether or not he or the comedy promoter putting on the show has a discrimination claim against this venue.

Has GL made a comment to his own followers or has GL orchestrated a pressure campaign aimed at The Guardian to demand that Owen Jones be fired? And never be employed anywhere else ever again?

No, but I am familiar with venue hire contracts in a professional capacity (I have already posted links further up thread, feel free to go back and read them).

You're right.

His hypocrisy, and that of his defenders, has no bearing on the legal merits. But it absolutely is relevant to the legitimacy of his (and his defenders) complaints.

The legal merits are dodgy for different reasons...

Please, do explain why you think the legal merits are ‘dodgy’.