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Comedy event cancelled at the Fringe because of Glinner?

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 15/08/2023 17:29

I hadn't seen anything about this on X/Twitter previously, but apparently some activists have been putting pressure on the venue and they've cancelled an upcoming event called Comedy Unleashed because one of the comedians is Graham Linehan. How utterly pathetic. https://twitter.com/UnleashedComedy/status/1691476377793409024?s=20 Seems to be organised by/associated with Andrew Doyle, aka Titania McGrath.

https://twitter.com/UnleashedComedy/status/1691476377793409024?s=20

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/08/2023 13:22

But it wasn't a case in provision of services as I remember, it was an employment case.

The venue provide a service. They are the ones bound by the Act. To Comedy Unleashed who booked with them, as per pp. They can bring a claim. The point is that the Equality Act does cover "this sort of thing", contrary to your belief. Had it been Glinner who booked with the venue directly, he could bring a claim himself, the particulars of which would be examined.

Mollyollydolly · 16/08/2023 13:27

Anyone who had a ticket they've found a venue!

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IcakethereforeIam · 16/08/2023 13:31

That's excellent news. I don't believe this will have much affect on any action they may pursue against Leigh Arches.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/08/2023 13:31

Great news!

NicCageisnotNickCave · 16/08/2023 13:32

More on how putting on a show at the Edinburgh Fringe works from Spotlight’s website (as in, the show organisers hire a venue, the venues don’t hire performers):

Most shows at Edinburgh Fringe make a loss, the idea is that the show organisers and performers invest money on being seen at the festival and that exposure will make them more money later on, either
by touring the show around the country (especially if the show wins a prize or gets good reviews) or by making the industry-insider contacts that can lead to a mainstream writing or performing job (get a newcomer award at the fringe and you might get a comedy panel show appearance or ten out of it).

The Fringe a massive comedy trade show for promoters, performers and show crew, basically.

Comedy Unleashed have a contract with Leith Arches, and presumably Leith Arches knew perfectly well that CU specialise in free speech shows, seeing as it’s all over CU’s PR blurb? Including, I would imagine, the posters & flyers they were displaying in their own venue.

Graham Linehan’s GC beliefs are protected in law (and from what he’s said, his planned stand up is mostly about pizza anyway).

You can’t renege on a venue for hire contract because you don’t like the cut of someone else’s perfectly legal jib.

It’s exactly what the EQ10 is there to protect against.

Leith Arches should’ve responded to activist complaints with ‘We are just a venue for hire, take your complaints about featured performers to the show organisers, Comedy Unleashed’

And Comedy Unleashed could then just ignore them.

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NicCageisnotNickCave · 16/08/2023 13:40

AuntyBumBum · 16/08/2023 13:17

Thanks I didn't know that. In which case the provision of services is by the venue to Comedy Unleashed. I don't see any provision of services to Glinner. In which case discrimination against him is not unlawful under the Equality Act.

But they can’t cancel the contract with CU because they don’t like one of CU’s performers views!

Same as the village hall, who wouldn’t be legally allowed to cancel a venue booking for a religious group because they didn’t like the legally-protected views of a speaker booked by the group to appear at the venue.

Mary Bourke, one of the other performers, at the CU show is also a terf btw, just a less well-known one than Glinner.

NicCageisnotNickCave · 16/08/2023 13:49

Twitter/ X is a blast today!

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NicCageisnotNickCave · 16/08/2023 13:51

Aw!

(Bonus: cheering news from Jonathan Haidt too)

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Comedy event cancelled at the Fringe because of Glinner?
NicCageisnotNickCave · 16/08/2023 13:54

Strange bedfellow on this Freedom
of Speech story arc:

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/08/2023 14:00

Apparently Marc Burrows is a "comedian and former Guardian moderator".

Goodviibrations · 16/08/2023 14:01

Even Jeremy Vine has retweeted Andrew Doyle, asking "what the hell is going on here?"

Is that his catchphrase? 🙄

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/08/2023 14:01

Yes it would appear so.

IcakethereforeIam · 16/08/2023 14:03

I agree with creepy Uncle Peter (strange days), I'm totally here for the 'counter arguments' and 'evidence'.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/08/2023 14:05

Calling him "Lineham" is childish though, I'm sure we can all think of witty things to do with your name, Pete.

NicCageisnotNickCave · 16/08/2023 14:06

Mochudubh · 16/08/2023 14:01

The Herald now has a poll but it seems you need to be a subscriber to vote.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/23726591.graham-linehan-comedians-fringe-show-cancelled/

It let me vote! Maybe The Herald have changed the settings?

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JeannieDark · 16/08/2023 14:06

Mochudubh · 16/08/2023 14:01

The Herald now has a poll but it seems you need to be a subscriber to vote.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/23726591.graham-linehan-comedians-fringe-show-cancelled/

I'm not a subscriber and voted

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PlanetJanette · 16/08/2023 14:14

Didn't Linehan claim that Owen Jones should not be given any work until he apologised for his position on trans rights?

So he's not entirely a fan of free speech himself.

Also, I think everyone claiming with certainty that this is a breach of the Equality Act needs to get a grip. A venue refusing to platform someone who has said that 'almost every central trans figure is a nonce' would have a pretty decent argument - no one has an absolute right to hire a venue, and the view that trans people are paedophiles is not a protected belief.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 16/08/2023 14:14

IcakethereforeIam · 16/08/2023 14:03

I agree with creepy Uncle Peter (strange days), I'm totally here for the 'counter arguments' and 'evidence'.

Yep, very much looking forward to that

Hepwo · 16/08/2023 14:18

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/08/2023 14:19

Also, I think everyone claiming with certainty that this is a breach of the Equality Act needs to get a grip.

I didn't claim it with certainty, that would be have to be established by a court and clearly his communications would be looked at as part of that.

nettie434 · 16/08/2023 14:20

I am really heartened by comedians like Eliot Steel calling for free speech. Robin Ince has always been 100% opposed to the teeniest GC hint so no surprises there. I've never seen Jo Caulfield get involved in these discussions before. Her material is a bit 'me, me, me' so I'm actually surprised she's spoken out on this.

The tweet from James Esses and the article about Frankie Boyle sum up the fundamental flaws in the 'free speech for the right sort of opinions arguments perfectly. Maybe the wider public are finally seeing the holes in this logic.

Hepwo · 16/08/2023 14:20

PlanetJanette · 16/08/2023 14:14

Didn't Linehan claim that Owen Jones should not be given any work until he apologised for his position on trans rights?

So he's not entirely a fan of free speech himself.

Also, I think everyone claiming with certainty that this is a breach of the Equality Act needs to get a grip. A venue refusing to platform someone who has said that 'almost every central trans figure is a nonce' would have a pretty decent argument - no one has an absolute right to hire a venue, and the view that trans people are paedophiles is not a protected belief.

Get a grip? Coming from people that believe gender woo I would suggest you first.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/08/2023 14:20

Goodness Hep, what on earth did you say to get instadeleted?!

Hepwo · 16/08/2023 14:21

Cult