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PatatiPatatras · 13/08/2023 21:38

viques · 13/08/2023 20:36

But can you imagine his sad little face at the end of the evening when he realises that no one, absolutely no one , has indicated that they want to meet him again? Amongst the lively buzz of women having a good time he realises that no one has spoken to him all night, even when he offered them tampons and a lend of his lip liner in the toilets . Can you envisage the lonely walk home, opening the door to his empty bed sit, staring at the discarded outfits strewn on the floor, remembering the excitement of getting ready just a few hours previously , carefully applying the makeup, getting the contouring just right, choosing the right clothes, (not too tarty, but just a bit revealing) , practising his one liners to make sure they hit the right note…… and all for nothing because those trans hating lezzers don’t appreciate men with dicks sorry , othered women. Terfs the lot of them, deserve to be punched…….

Tut tut.
I'm sure that walk home was nursing a raging euphoria boner.
caused by reminiscing over all those women who despite their rejection had no choice but to find themselves in his realm. The less they want him, the more certain he is of returning to dominate them all.
He'll definitely be back next week to see them squirm, under his gaze.

EsmaCannonball · 13/08/2023 21:49

Spoiling things for women is what gives these men a thrill. If they can't have it, they can still wreck it.

CrazyArmadilloLady · 13/08/2023 21:54

This whole situation so neatly encapsulates just how misogynistic and homophobic the gender ideologues are.

I hope it peaks more people.

Just a reminder for anyone who doesn’t quite get / see it: trans activism is about prioritising men’s feeling and wishes over everyone and everything else - but especially the rights, safety and dignity of women, gay people and children.

That this is seen as ‘progressive’ - men’s (inevitably straight men’s) feelings and wishes prioritised over women, gay people and minors - is the Emperor’s new clothes (a story we all laughed incredulously at as children) brought to life.

The patriarchy in all its age-old glory.

PorcelinaV · 13/08/2023 22:31

It will be interesting to see if Stonewall take a position on this.

Do they really want to go on record calling lesbians "sexual racists"?

ChokkaQuokka · 14/08/2023 01:00

I’d be wary of expecting these rejected males to take it on the, er, chin.

you might recall the story of Evie Amati, the trans 7-11 axe attacker in Sydney. What didn’t get reported in detail was that the attack occurred the night a date with a lesbian didn’t go according to Amati’s hopes. The link is a buzzfeed story but even that shows that this was a story of what happens when lesbians try to Be Kind but not too kind. It’s not enough for the Amatis of the world and three complete strangers nearly lost their lives as a consequence.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/lanesainty/evie-amati-trial-tinder-date-freaked-out-over-message#

A Woman Who Met The Accused Axe Attacker On Tinder Says She "Freaked Out" Over Scary Messages

“Then I blocked her on Facebook. It scared me, I was freaking out."

https://www.buzzfeed.com/lanesainty/evie-amati-trial-tinder-date-freaked-out-over-message#

fromorbit · 14/08/2023 07:29

Essential watch.

Watch Jenny and Kate from LGBA give more info on GB News. Turns out the pub manager is a massive bigot and they have this on record insulting "terfs".

Kind of want this to go to court so people can see the level of homophobic abuse going on here. Not sure if they are going to pursue legal action though.

Lesbian group shut down for banning trans-identifying male | 'We just want to feel safe!'

'We just want lesbians to be safe during these events, that's all there is to it.'Jennie Watson's regular lesbian speed-dating event was shut down by activis...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMIvcYNo2Zo

GameOverBoys · 14/08/2023 07:58

There are trans inclusive events for people presenting as women so there is no need for anyone to crash a female only lesbian event. The person with a visible errection was not looking for love, in the same way a flasher is not looking for a reciprocal sexual encounter. It is about imposing themselves and causing upset.
Sexuality is complex and I’m sure some women would be happy to date a genuine trans women who is just getting on with her life, trying to pass and not cause any issues.
We have a mixture of female only and trans inclusive events, which seems like the right balance. The police need to believe women and get involved when these obvious sexual predators target any event.

swimsong · 14/08/2023 09:01

OwningAllMyMistakes · 13/08/2023 07:20

I would add that from little knowledge and experience I have of transmen gay men wouldn’t be put off by a trans man with a vagina.

That is really very, very little knowledge. Practically microscopic.

Clymene · 14/08/2023 10:47

Thanks for sharing the video @fromorbit - all that self-righteous homophobia!

Helleofabore · 14/08/2023 10:54

ChokkaQuokka · 14/08/2023 01:00

I’d be wary of expecting these rejected males to take it on the, er, chin.

you might recall the story of Evie Amati, the trans 7-11 axe attacker in Sydney. What didn’t get reported in detail was that the attack occurred the night a date with a lesbian didn’t go according to Amati’s hopes. The link is a buzzfeed story but even that shows that this was a story of what happens when lesbians try to Be Kind but not too kind. It’s not enough for the Amatis of the world and three complete strangers nearly lost their lives as a consequence.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/lanesainty/evie-amati-trial-tinder-date-freaked-out-over-message#

I thought the date was with a male person. I remember reading it at the time because I have been in that 7/11 heaps. And was worried who might have been involved.

i must have been wrong.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 14/08/2023 11:15

fromorbit · 14/08/2023 07:29

Essential watch.

Watch Jenny and Kate from LGBA give more info on GB News. Turns out the pub manager is a massive bigot and they have this on record insulting "terfs".

Kind of want this to go to court so people can see the level of homophobic abuse going on here. Not sure if they are going to pursue legal action though.

This is a jaw dropping watch

the homophobia is clear and off the charts

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 14/08/2023 11:18

I have a standing order to LGBA because I want to live in a society where homophobia isn’t a thing. Seeing Kate Barker on that clip reassures me that it’s money well spent

Froodwithatowel · 14/08/2023 11:31

ChokkaQuokka · 14/08/2023 01:00

I’d be wary of expecting these rejected males to take it on the, er, chin.

you might recall the story of Evie Amati, the trans 7-11 axe attacker in Sydney. What didn’t get reported in detail was that the attack occurred the night a date with a lesbian didn’t go according to Amati’s hopes. The link is a buzzfeed story but even that shows that this was a story of what happens when lesbians try to Be Kind but not too kind. It’s not enough for the Amatis of the world and three complete strangers nearly lost their lives as a consequence.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/lanesainty/evie-amati-trial-tinder-date-freaked-out-over-message#

Awful. 😢

I remember the original 'cotton ceiling' article, which is very hard to find these days as tracks are covered. It was a very interesting insight into the mindset of an adult male transitioner, explaining the frustration of transitioning to find that previously totally uninterested women were now very supportive and kind and willing to sit and chat and share drinks and listen and be very nice. But. They wouldn't go the last step, get their knickers off and DTD.

The transitioner was bewildered and frustrated by this. As I recall, the line in the article went: "they resist the penis!"

Er yeah, they would mate. They're lesbians. But to the transitioner's reading of the situation, all the 'be kind' was cock teasing, leading to anger when they wouldn't follow through.

Froodwithatowel · 14/08/2023 11:51

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 14/08/2023 11:15

This is a jaw dropping watch

the homophobia is clear and off the charts

The anger of men when women say no about sexual availability. Even saying no to other men must not be tolerated.

Jenny is absolutely right: the 'hate group' is not the women wanting to be left in peace and quiet. It's the ones shouting abuse and trying to control them and prevent their being allowed to say no to men wanting sex.

Helleofabore · 14/08/2023 11:51

Helleofabore · 14/08/2023 10:54

I thought the date was with a male person. I remember reading it at the time because I have been in that 7/11 heaps. And was worried who might have been involved.

i must have been wrong.

Lost my post after typing it a
out.

I realise now that I probably read that it was a ‘tinder’ date and that they were rejected and didn’t think more about it. I would have read abc and Amy smh and the police probably hadn’t contacted the women in the USA at that time.

Thanks for that link. That has given more clarity.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/08/2023 11:53

Here's another male whining about it from 2012, and blaming "trans men" for giving the impression that lesbians could consider them part of their dating pool rather than affirming that they should only be interested in MTF trans people:

https://feministing.com/2012/06/28/enough-with-i-date-women-and-trans-men/

The problem isn’t one sided: trans guys owe it to themselves to not accept a misgendering sexuality frame just because it makes it easier to get laid, but that shit’s complicated in a cissexist world. It’s unfair to place all the responsibility for fixing this problem at the feet of the people who’s identities are being undermined. I want to encourage trans guys to stand up for what they deserve, but a lot of the responsibility for fixing this shit belongs to the people doing the undermining.

I do put a little more responsibility on trans men for letting this frame push their trans sisters out. This approach to sexuality totally erases trans women by excluding us from the group of sexually existing queer women. Yes, it’s also incredibly undermining of trans women’s identities by moving us out of the category “women” when it comes to sexuality. Ultimately, this frame goes back to the gender coercively assigned at birth for trans women as well. It’s a way for transmisogyny to advance unchecked, because trans women totally drop out of the conversation.

PuttingDownRoots · 14/08/2023 11:58

Its so hypocritical.
Presumably they want to date women as they are heterosexual.
But can't respect the fact that other people are homosexual.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 14/08/2023 12:07

The thing is that regardless of what sex you are, being a boundary pushing weirdo is going to be a massive turn off for most people too

so I think this guy faces a number of hurdles

but step one might be understanding what sex he is and only respectfully making advances to people who are attracted to members of that sex

basically, men: leave lesbians alone.

viques · 14/08/2023 12:12

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/08/2023 11:53

Here's another male whining about it from 2012, and blaming "trans men" for giving the impression that lesbians could consider them part of their dating pool rather than affirming that they should only be interested in MTF trans people:

https://feministing.com/2012/06/28/enough-with-i-date-women-and-trans-men/

The problem isn’t one sided: trans guys owe it to themselves to not accept a misgendering sexuality frame just because it makes it easier to get laid, but that shit’s complicated in a cissexist world. It’s unfair to place all the responsibility for fixing this problem at the feet of the people who’s identities are being undermined. I want to encourage trans guys to stand up for what they deserve, but a lot of the responsibility for fixing this shit belongs to the people doing the undermining.

I do put a little more responsibility on trans men for letting this frame push their trans sisters out. This approach to sexuality totally erases trans women by excluding us from the group of sexually existing queer women. Yes, it’s also incredibly undermining of trans women’s identities by moving us out of the category “women” when it comes to sexuality. Ultimately, this frame goes back to the gender coercively assigned at birth for trans women as well. It’s a way for transmisogyny to advance unchecked, because trans women totally drop out of the conversation.

I honestly couldn’t work out what the first paragraph meant! Are trans guys transmen or guys who are transwomen?

Mind you I am also unsure what transmisogyny is, or cissexist, or sexually existing queer women or a misgendering sexuality frame. It really has become a question of twisting language until it does what you want it too and then shouting down other people who don’t understand what you are talking about, this is why we need to fight back and retain language, especially the language that defines us as women, oops, sorry those of us identified as women by the gender coercively assigned to us at birth.

And btw no one “deserves” to have sex with someone just because they want to, the other person has autonomy too.

BezMills · 14/08/2023 12:15

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I was going to make a flippant comment, but then read the entire article. I think there are some implicit premises there that I don't buy, but okay, it was quite interesting to see the viewpoint elaborated pretty coherently.

There's an undercurrent of homophobia running through it like blackpool through a stick of rock, it also seems like the one group of people not to blame for Everything Being Bad is good old Males with Trans Identities.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/08/2023 12:44

There's an undercurrent of homophobia running through it like blackpool through a stick of rock, it also seems like the one group of people not to blame for Everything Being Bad is good old Males with Trans Identities.

Yes, it's logically consistent if your logic is "trans women are women". Which is why I don't think calling males women is harmless.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 14/08/2023 13:39

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/08/2023 12:44

There's an undercurrent of homophobia running through it like blackpool through a stick of rock, it also seems like the one group of people not to blame for Everything Being Bad is good old Males with Trans Identities.

Yes, it's logically consistent if your logic is "trans women are women". Which is why I don't think calling males women is harmless.

Oooh light bulb moment!

yep, it’s very much not a neutral act to behave in any way as if you accept that some men are really women

ArabeIIaScott · 14/08/2023 13:52

Reading that Polish detransitioners story is also instructive, in terms of homophobia.

Froodwithatowel · 14/08/2023 14:04

PuttingDownRoots · 14/08/2023 11:58

Its so hypocritical.
Presumably they want to date women as they are heterosexual.
But can't respect the fact that other people are homosexual.

If you either believe yourself that you have become a woman, or believe in the power to compel others to validate your chosen identity as a woman, then one of the ultimate experiences is to be given sex by a female kind of woman who exclusively and only sleeps with other female kinds of women.

Sex with one of them makes it real, it's a huge goal.

The refusal of female kind of women to get with the programme is a denial that a male person has sufficiently become a woman to count in their eyes, hence the rage. The attempts to punish and coerce until they will just get their clothes off and do it, hence the abhorrent incel stuff about women just 'learning to cope' with unwanted sex with a male body as if they were unpaid sex workers or sex toys. The degree of dehumanisation of these goal women is appalling. There is no sense in any of the rhetoric of the woman being a partner, a person, an equal entitled to have feelings, no responsibility towards her pleasure or consent, it's just the right to use her without her fussing and resisting.

This is all about requiring women to validate male people with their bodies.

Whether it's to get your knickers down and pee in the cubicle next to the male person, or to undress for swimming in a communal changing room, or to permit the male person to do an intimate exam or intimate care, or to provide lesbian sex, it is all about requiring women to validate with their bodies.

With rage and punishment for 'gatekeeping' these desired experiences. And it all links into the age old belief that women have no business gatekeeping their bodies from men with sexual needs, hence husbands being able to rape their wives as a marital right if she won't do her duty. It's the entitlement of the bloke who feels you up on the tube, or assaults you in a dark alley because you're walking around in possession of a body he feels he has an entitlement to, and who you are, how you identify, how you feel, if you consent- what's that got to do with it?

And yes. It all starts with a pronoun.

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