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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

You are safe with me

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Justme56 · 09/08/2023 18:49

I saw this on Twitter as David Tennent was wearing one. I’m sure his intention is good but it gave me weird vibes. Can he guarantee that everyone who is wearing one is ‘safe’ to be around? Am I overthinking this?

You are safe with me
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MrsGalloway · 09/08/2023 20:40

AmaListening · 09/08/2023 20:02

The badge isn't a substitute for a DBS check. That's not the point of it. We're not in the realm of safeguarding here; we're not talking about whether your child can go home with someone because they're wearing a badge.

It's simply saying that the badge-wearer identifies as an ally to those whose sexual orientation or gender identity isn't accepted or tolerated by all.

This is hugely important because the world can feel a very unsafe place for those who aren't straight or cis.

Well it’s daft to encourage the idea that because someone wears a badge saying they’re safe means that they actually are so it’s not hugely important it’s extremely naive and potentially dangerous.

Any human being whatever their sexual preference or gender identity is safe with me but that doesn’t mean I have to do what they tell me to do to my own detriment if that what “safe” means in this context.

EmpressaurusOfCats · 09/08/2023 20:40

AmaListening · 09/08/2023 20:04

I don't understand this comment, can you help me? The badge seems to have the rainbow flag colours and the trans flag colours and is surely marking the wearer as an ally to all LGBTQ+ people? I'm struggling to understand why a gay woman would find this problematic.

The reason I find it problematic is that Nancy Kelley, while still running Stonewall, stated that lesbians were the equivalent of sexual racists because we’re not attracted to transwomen. The idea of lesbians not being attracted to males with a feminine gender identity is unacceptable. This is known as the ‘cotton ceiling’.

The so-called ‘LGBTQ community’ prioritises gender identity over biological sex. This attitude leads to homophobia because to quote the wonderful JK Rowling, ‘Without sex there is no same-sex attraction.’

And that’s just the start of it.

MrsTerryPratchett · 09/08/2023 20:46

This is hugely important because the world can feel a very unsafe place for those who aren't straight or cis.

It's pretty unsafe for women too and I wouldn't trust a man wearing similar for women. In fact, I'd assume they were a twat or a predator unless I had very good intell to the contrary.

borntobequiet · 09/08/2023 20:47

I think it'd be a very rare occurrence for someone with ill-intent to buy that badge.

People with ill intent do far more difficult and complicated things to enable their ill intentions. They train (among other things) for the priesthood, as teachers, as police officers, to become someone who people feel they can trust. Buying a badge is an easy win in comparison. Why wouldn’t they buy one?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/08/2023 20:48

popebishop · 09/08/2023 20:26

It's simply saying that the badge-wearer identifies as an ally to those whose sexual orientation or gender identity isn't accepted or tolerated by all.

Exactly. It says that the wearer claims to be an ally. Something you would normally determine from someone's actions.

So should people believe claims? If Farage wore one, what would you think?

oh my god I wish Nigel Farrage would wear this badge

some people's heads would LITERALLY (ok, maybe figuratively) EXPLODE

'twould be amazing

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/08/2023 20:50

AmaListening · 09/08/2023 20:27

I think it'd be a very rare occurrence for someone with ill-intent to buy that badge.

I'd think it far more likely a badge bought by allies, to make that solidarity and support immediately visible.

David Tennant I think has a child who identifies as non-binary? So he's taking a stand for them by wearing that publicly, I'm guessing.

what if your child was a gender critical lesbian? do you think she'd feel safe with the 'go on, one little penis won't hurt' baby pink and baby blue rainbow?

ArabeIIaScott · 09/08/2023 20:55
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ArabeIIaScott · 09/08/2023 20:57

borntobequiet · 09/08/2023 20:47

I think it'd be a very rare occurrence for someone with ill-intent to buy that badge.

People with ill intent do far more difficult and complicated things to enable their ill intentions. They train (among other things) for the priesthood, as teachers, as police officers, to become someone who people feel they can trust. Buying a badge is an easy win in comparison. Why wouldn’t they buy one?

But the Scottish government keeps telling me 'There is no evidence that predatory and abusive men have ever had to pretend to be anything else to carry out abusive and predatory behaviour'

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4729635-a-reminder-of-the-people-who-said-there-was-no-evidence

A reminder of the people who said there was 'no evidence'. | Mumsnet

'...we must be clear: all of the evidence tells us that the cause of violence against women and girls is predatory and abusive men; not trans people....

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4729635-a-reminder-of-the-people-who-said-there-was-no-evidence

EmpressaurusOfCats · 09/08/2023 21:01

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/08/2023 20:50

what if your child was a gender critical lesbian? do you think she'd feel safe with the 'go on, one little penis won't hurt' baby pink and baby blue rainbow?

Since AmaListening was confused by my posts I’m not sure she’s come across that concept.

Ourladycheesusedatum · 09/08/2023 21:18

AmaListening · 09/08/2023 20:27

I think it'd be a very rare occurrence for someone with ill-intent to buy that badge.

I'd think it far more likely a badge bought by allies, to make that solidarity and support immediately visible.

David Tennant I think has a child who identifies as non-binary? So he's taking a stand for them by wearing that publicly, I'm guessing.

Are you for real? Are you naive? Do you have any children in your life?

People (men mostly) will go to great lengths to get contact with children, like oh, train as a teacher, join the seminary, become social workers, oh the list is endless.

But buying a badge is what really difficult?

Backstreets · 09/08/2023 21:26

DT is such a dork

FictionalCharacter · 09/08/2023 21:28

TeenDivided · 09/08/2023 18:51

That kind of 'safe' is really 'I won't challenge your views ever' isn't it?

Yep!

Boiledbeetle · 09/08/2023 21:30

AmaListening · 09/08/2023 20:27

I think it'd be a very rare occurrence for someone with ill-intent to buy that badge.

I'd think it far more likely a badge bought by allies, to make that solidarity and support immediately visible.

David Tennant I think has a child who identifies as non-binary? So he's taking a stand for them by wearing that publicly, I'm guessing.

I think it'd be a very rare occurrence for someone with ill-intent to buy that badge.

Then honestly you need to give your head a wobble.

PomegranateOfPersephone · 09/08/2023 21:46

MrsTerryPratchett · 09/08/2023 20:46

This is hugely important because the world can feel a very unsafe place for those who aren't straight or cis.

It's pretty unsafe for women too and I wouldn't trust a man wearing similar for women. In fact, I'd assume they were a twat or a predator unless I had very good intell to the contrary.

Oh my goodness can you imagine!? If a man was wearing the same badge but with green, white and violet around the edges! I would keep well away, I would consider it a massive red flag and that he would be a danger to women rather than a genuine ally.

Who virtue signals like that? Who declares “I am safe”? Who has an interest in actively soliciting trust in those they have only just met rather than allowing it to grow over time?

The wolf. The snake. The child catcher. The spider. The fox.

In a words predators. They are in a hurry, they can’t allow you time to make your own decisions based on their actions and behaviour over time or hearing their reputation from others. They explicitly tell you, I’m nice, I am safe, I am empathetic, I am kind. People who are genuinely those things don’t tend to announce it or go out of their way to persuade others of it. Of course with the queering of society ordinary people are being encouraged to announce such things to provide cover for predators just as they are encouraged to recite the mantra “people are who they say they are”, or to apply the rule “don’t question people if you think they are in the wrong place or behaving suspiciously or strangely people know where they should be and what they are doing better than you do”.

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Mochudubh · 09/08/2023 21:55

@PomegranateOfPersephone Thanks. You've joined the dots. We're all saying the same thing. Predators will do whatever necessary to predate.

Mochudubh · 09/08/2023 22:00

I mean that genuinely BTW. In the current climate it can be difficult to differentiate genuine comment from sarcasm.

OneSugar1 · 09/08/2023 22:12

Deeds, not words, David.

Respect is given straight away, whether or not you maintain it is up to you. But trust, ah, well that has to be earned.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/08/2023 22:15

I think it'd be a very rare occurrence for someone with ill-intent to buy that badge.

Why?

JanesLittleGirl · 09/08/2023 22:17

AmaListening · 09/08/2023 20:02

The badge isn't a substitute for a DBS check. That's not the point of it. We're not in the realm of safeguarding here; we're not talking about whether your child can go home with someone because they're wearing a badge.

It's simply saying that the badge-wearer identifies as an ally to those whose sexual orientation or gender identity isn't accepted or tolerated by all.

This is hugely important because the world can feel a very unsafe place for those who aren't straight or cis.

And of course we should all believe that badge wearer. I don't think so.

Isthisexpected · 09/08/2023 22:19

Safe to be who you are and to put your wishes above those of women without a penis is how I read that.

PatatiPatatras · 09/08/2023 22:27

I'm safe because I say I am!

Windywuss · 09/08/2023 22:44

This is the kind of virtue signalling I dislike. I have no doubt DT is being good intentioned. But the whole notion of being an ally is such black and white thinking.

I'm a lecturer. In my university, staff can choose to add a badge to their signature and use a rainbow badge in real life to indicate their status as an LGBTQ ally. The staff LGBTQ network runs this stuff. Again they all mean well but I think it gives the impression that if you're not a badge wearer then somehow you are unsafe or against them.

Now I'm a femininst and won't use pronouns for myself and don't believe in gender over sex. This does not mean that I am unsafe for ANY of my students. I support all of them whatever is going on in their lives.

I think this generation are being done a disservice by the lack of critical thinking (which I try and address in my small way) and black and white thinking around these days.

cariadlet · 09/08/2023 22:54

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LeoDiCapricorn · 09/08/2023 22:55

Wayne Couxens had a badge. Didn't make him safe

HereForTheFreeLunch · 09/08/2023 23:17

Do men really think a badge is all anyone needs to identify the bad guys?
What's to stop the bad guys identifying as a good guy?
Be that a priest, a police man or just a random bloke with a badge!