Transman loses baby during hysterectomy

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Transgender patient loses unborn baby while undergoing hysterectomy while four months pregnant https://mol.im/a/12387829

This article is horrifying.
In my experience women are always given pregnancy tests before surgery, what the hell happened here?

I can't believe the hospital would rely on a patient's word re pregnancy.

I wouldn't take a test before a hysterectomy, because I'd know the hospital are obliged to do one. I mean, I would if I suspected because I wouldn't want the hassle of being turned away on the day, but I'd never suspect the hospital would rely on one I had done.

This is a hospital cock up, and blaming the woman involved is very very unreasonable. Regardless of her appearance.

Good post.

I do think it's rather worrying that no pregnancy test was actually done for a woman about to have a hysterectomy.

That it's dependent on a questionnaire. It's so unreliable.

i'm surprised this is the first time that something has gone wrong tbh.

Everything about this story is horrible.

The mother whose children are forced to call her "he" and "him".

Unnecessary, dangerous, invasive surgery performed because of a mad cult-like religion.

Hospital incompetence.

Patient being dishonest.

An unborn baby dying due to the idiocy and incompetence of adults.

Just awful from start to finish. No one involved in this should feel happy with themselves.

It is extremely sad, I'm glad they have now changed their policy to say every woman is tested as standard. Without knowing the answers given to the questions I don't think it's fair to judge the nurse though.

No but there are a lot of people claiming that the person in question must have known exactly when they had sex several months before

Do we really all know this off the top of our heads?

And now its womens own faults if they dont remember exactly when they last had sex

Unless the person in question lied and said that they had been having periods for the last few months then they are in a similar situation as a woman with PCOS where hormonal activity leads to them having irregular/no periods.

If thats enough to trigger a pregnancy test for a woman with pcos it should be enough to trigger a pregnancy test for a patient on (I assume) testosterone

You sound nice 😳

I find it heard to believe that there was no policy to give a woman (ANY woman, having a hysterectomy for ANY reason) a PG test beforehand?

Dystopia. Worse than fiction.

I agree. Which is why I kept wondering if it's because they thought she was a man.

So he was having sex vaginally?.... However, defines himself a man but expects to be offered a pregnancy test... Except that suggestion would likely offend? I don't get it.

I’d agree with this. I had to have a pregnancy test before they operated on a broken wrist despite me knowing I was definitely not pregnant. It’s a standard part of pre-op checks for women of child bearing age.

THIS. I think labelling this as a trans issue is being done deliberately - to stoke more "OMG trans pandering has gone insaaaaaaaaane!!" but also possibly to take the eye off the fact that "routine" health services were woefully inadequate and not fit for purpose during the pandemic.

I don't think I will ever forgive that TBH as I believe it to be quite a significant factor in my cousin's premature death.

It speaks nicely to the anti-abortion crowd as well, many of whom overlap with the "transgenderism is an ungodly abomination!!" crowd who I have absolutely no wish to sympathise with, even though I agree some of the GC arguments make sense.

Whether or not you think sex change operations should be considered routine, it's important to see how/why this is being reported in the way that it is.

Hospitals should always do a pregnancy test on any female of childbearing age before this type of surgery.

I rather suspect that if this woman didn't identify as a trans man, there wouldn't be the comments of "it's all her fault, she should have taken a pregnancy test"

If the woman didn't identify as a transman, they wouldn't have been able to access an elective hysterectomy.

@Elepunt I did.

I said it was routine to test in UK I didn't miss this was Australia or that the hospital didn't test - and my point was they should have routinely tested all women - like the UK seems to do - and that poster was wrong to put responsibility on the patient.

You have reminded me why I rarely post here though - so I shall go and do something more useful.

When people say there's no transphobia on MN, this is the kind of thread that proves them wrong.

In this thread, the patient in question:

• has been referred to as "it"
• has been repeatedly accused of lying
• has been accused of forcing her children to call her "he" or "him", despite that being completely irrelevant and totally omitted from the article
• has been victim-blamed beyond belief (why didn't they do their own pregnancy test)
• has been accused of just being after compo
• has had their sex life speculated over in some rather crass ways

Honestly, it's an appalling thread about a god-awful tragic situation.

You list your pronouns at the bottom of your email signature, don't you?

All of this. 100%.

It is certainly plausible that confusion/political correctness around trans issues contributed to the hospital's error. But the patient was having a hysterectomy, so the biological sex should have been blindingly obvious, as only biological women can have hysterectomies. This was predominantly the hospital's error.

But it says it wasn't the hospital they were ats policy to test.

No I don't.

Do you really deny that there is obvious transphobia on this thread?

Don't be ridiculous. Any medical professional that doesn't understand that a hysterectomy means the removal of a uterus, or that the presence of a uterus signals the possibility of a pregnancy needs sacking. This is one case where pronouns, feelings, identification and even legal recognition make no difference.

Which post called the patient it?

Agreed. Very surprised that this high risk policy hasn't led to this situation before.

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