Transman loses baby during hysterectomy

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Transgender patient loses unborn baby while undergoing hysterectomy while four months pregnant https://mol.im/a/12387829

This article is horrifying.
In my experience women are always given pregnancy tests before surgery, what the hell happened here?

Because you are in total denial about it being a possibility?

I'm surprised the hospital didn't conduct the test. I've always been asked about being pregnant since I was about 14. Still being asked aged 55. It's routine.

HE had a hysterectomy 😩

This needs to stop

Would have triggered more than that …

@54isanopendoor I'm surprised the hospital didn't conduct the test. I've always been asked about being pregnant since I was about 14. Still being asked aged 55. It's routine.

They did ask. They asked a series of questions which led them to believe there was no possibility of the patient being pregnant. They were wrong.

The hospital have cocked up. A pregnancy test should have been carried out.

However, looking at the bigger picture, isn’t this what TRAs are advocating for? Health care that doesn’t risk triggering dysphoria?

You dont have to be rude, or place the thread in danger, but you really shouldnt be coy either

I'm not being coy. All of us posters have to be very careful what we write, not least because it's not always clear what is and isn't permitted.

The thread below is still available on MN - look up the definition of the term under discussion on Wiktionary.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4838405-bonus-hole

This was my first thought.

I wonder if her partner is a transwoman?

And when asked if she'd had sex with a man, the answer was no.

Pure conjecture I know, but when language is mangled to this extent it would be completely possible.

The woman is being disingenuous.

In the article (do read it) she said she expected a blood test to check for pregnancy, having had previous pregnancies.

So if she did, and wasn't offered one as a result of her answers to the questions, why did she not ask?

She can't have it both ways!

At some point, even though you could argue the hospital made a mistake, the woman answered the pre-op questions clearly intending to show she was living as a man (so not having PIV sex with another man).

BUT she also thought she should have been offered a blood test to show pregnancy. why would that thought even enter her head if she'd been living as a man for months? Men don't get pregnant.

@ItsFunToBeAVampire I think the question is 'do you think you could be pregnant'.

Not 'Have you had sex with a man'.

The world has gone mad. Hope common sense takes over before too long.

Ah, but men can get pregnant

According to the Guardian, quoting "Jerome':
""It’s 2022. Not only women can get pregnant, men can get pregnant, too,’ says Jerome."

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2023/aug/08/difference-is-beautiful-pregnant-trans-men-go-for-a-swim-in-pictures

So how do they live as a man? Genuine question, and I’m not trying to catch you out. I have always wondered what a transman has to do to ‘live as a man’, given that thousands of women routinely wear trousers and flat shoes, work in formerly male professions eg engineering, drink pints etc.

well, would you expect anything else from the Guardian?

Thankfully, 99.9% of people believe, quite rightly, this is nonsense and the sooner their voices are heard and this nonsense stopped, the better.

@Titfortat78 You do know how gay men have sex, don't you? They don't have a vagina.

What the actual….
This whole debacle has just gone way too far, and now a baby is dead, mother traumatised not to mention the medics.

Holy god, the laws need to be tightened significantly to protect everyone, most of all a baby in the womb.

You can’t force a trans person to do anything, they will have you sued, shut down, protests stationed outside with men urinating everywhere. The whole point is that we have stripped back all common sense and now even the best interests of a patient are compromised and endangered.

No, THEIR life was saved and they are still fucking complaining

They should have had a pregnancy test but no one felt they could ask a ‘man’.

They are taking no responsibility what so ever, yes the hospital should have done a test, but so could they and they knew that they had sex.

It’s not the hospitals fault, they were just following protocol no doubt for ‘men’.

Sums it up for me.

I was expecting it to be an American story in a Democrat controlled state. So it's Australia. It could also have been NZ. Enough of this biology denial already.

I recently had a hysterectomy. It took place at a small hospital, where all of my children were born, some of the same surgical staff were present at the c sections and then at the hysterectomy.

I had bloods taken a week before but at no point was I asked about the possibility of pregnancy. I am assuming that they checked for pregnancy as part of my blood work.

Surely that is the issue here, and the trans aspect is just a red herring? I genuinely don't understand why the reason for the procedure should affect any pre op checks.

This is a truly awful story, for everyone involved. I hope it never happens again.