Transman loses baby during hysterectomy

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Transgender patient loses unborn baby while undergoing hysterectomy while four months pregnant https://mol.im/a/12387829

This article is horrifying.
In my experience women are always given pregnancy tests before surgery, what the hell happened here?

Having to tread around being supposed to accept lies and accept biological reality isn't an easy dance to do.

Particularly in the completely captured Australia.

Actually no, the responsibility to test lies squarely with the hospital. I've had to test before all sorts of procedures, it's not generally optional.

The only reason people are victim blaming is because the patient was trans. This is a traumatic event due to medical negligence.

I rather suspect that if this woman didn't identify as a trans man, there wouldn't be the comments of "it's all her fault, she should have taken a pregnancy test".

Agreed

I completely agree.

And although, from my gender critical point of view, I don't think their trans status should've had the slightest impact, I can't help wondering whether or not it has.

When the NHS are capable of denying that a woman was raped on a female ward because 'no man was present', you cannot underestimate the mind boggling decision-making based on this ideology.

It wasn't standard to conduct pregnancy tests in this hospital, it was only mandatory if the answers indicated there was a chance. This has rightfully now be changed, but the questions were around menstruation and sexual activity- I'd be interested to know the answers given that made the nurse say they didn't need a test. It's also disingenuous for the reasons mentioned previously to discount the impact of a woman's hospital having to play along with someone's delusions on being a man.

Did you really just refer to a human being as an "it"?

And yet people will deny mumsnet is transphobic.

This is a hospital fuck up. Those poor poor staff in the theatre, this would take me a long time to recover from in their position.

Not buying it. They knew the patient had a uterus and in this case that's the only information that was necessary in order to decide to test.

I rather suspect that if this woman didn't identify as a trans man, there wouldn't be the comments of "it's all her fault, she should have taken a pregnancy test".

No, if the woman didn’t identify as a trans man, the hospital would have done a pregnancy test. It’s extra negligent of the hospital - not the patient - because they allowed ideological beliefs to get in the way of standard medical care. It’s entirely their fault.

I would have thought the GC and feminist line would have been:

For the safety of all women a pregnancy test should always be done. Because some women might be in a position where they have to have a hysterectomy but are not capable of knowing if they are pregnant and because some women carry babies to full term without realising they are pregnant

But apparently according to some on this thread its:

Its the woman's own fault if this happens, she should remember when she last had sex, she should do her own pregnancy test and it doesnt sound like she wanted to continue with a pregnancy anyway

And by “their fault” I mean the hospital. Not “their” referring to the patient🙄

But that's not true. The hospital didn't do pregnancy tests as standard for any women.

They rely on women to answer a series of questions to determine whether or not a pregnancy test is needed. That's a stupid system and I'm glad they've changed it.

Yes. If the trans issue has led to some bad decisions, it's decisions made by the hospital that are relevant.

trans ideology should not be affecting their procedures.

It doesn’t matter if a woman does a pregnancy test. How is the hospital supposed to believe it’s been done on the day of the op? Or by the woman? It has to be done by the hospital. They didn’t because of answers to a questionnaire.

My periods can be up to 5 months apart due to my pcos

Would it also have been my fault if i didnt accurately remember exactly when I had sex 5 months ago?

It's my understanding that it's nothing to do with what women think but got to do with the hospital's own method of deciding whether to do a pregnancy test.

It's as a result of the questionnaire, apparently.

Sounds very hit and miss, to me.

No, if the woman didn’t identify as a trans man, the hospital would have done a pregnancy test.

It wasn't policy at the time to do a test as standard on any woman, so no, even a woman not claiming to be a man wouldn't have had a test if they'd answered the questions to indicate it wasn't needed. This is the part that's wrong and dangerous, but it's disingenuous to suggest it was policy and the hospital didn't give a test just as they were trans.

This is horrible - when are institutions and the public going to stop acceding to all this made up nonsense?

Yes that’s what should have happened. But they allowed a questionnaire to dictate their decision making that was answered by someone with questionable perceptions of their body and decided upon by a nurse for unknown reasons.

This individual had had previous pregnancies.
They knew how to obtain a pregnancy test.
Despite this, they appear to have given ambiguous information (at best) to the nurse checking the likelihood of pregnancy.
They were electing to have surgery to change their gender appearance in order to live their interpretation of maleness. That doesn't sound to me like someone wishing to continue with a pregnancy.

While I don't disagree with any of this it is still routine to test for pg even women who are likely too old to get pg or say they haven't been having sex - at least that happen to women I know who had hysterectomies in UK.

It sounds like a hospital cock up - with possibly covid health are and trans status playing a part in the failure - but it is a hospital system failure somewhere along the line.

You'd surely answer that you have PCOS and don't have regular periods and that you can't accurately recall when you last had sex, there's nothing to indicate this wouldn't trigger the need for a test.

This!!! I will probably word this terribly, but if you want to get rid of your vagina etc so much, why are you still using it to have sex 4 months before? Surely the very thought would be horrifying?

Read the article! It wasn't standard for the hospital to test.