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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Transman loses baby during hysterectomy

317 replies

ItsFunToBeAVampire · 09/08/2023 09:44

Transgender patient loses unborn baby while undergoing hysterectomy while four months pregnant https://mol.im/a/12387829

This article is horrifying.
In my experience women are always given pregnancy tests before surgery, what the hell happened here?

Female-to-male patient loses unborn baby while undergoing hysterectomy

Jesse Pohlner, 38, was four months pregnant when he underwent a full hysterectomy at Royal Women's Hospital in Melbourne during lockdown in 2021.

https://mol.im/a/12387829

OP posts:
AngeloMysterioso · 09/08/2023 20:00

Elepunt · 09/08/2023 10:20

None of us know do we, this is where it gets cloudy and lots of people don't know how to deal with someone presenting and pretending to be a man when they are actually a woman. Undoubtedly this woman should have still had a pregnancy test, but I wouldn't just the nurse without knowing the answers to the questions. I wonder if this woman wasn't pregnant if they'd have ran to social media to state how the transphobic nurse forced me to have a pregnancy test even though I'm a man.

Wouldn’t be the first time

Transman loses baby during hysterectomy
NeverDropYourMooncup · 09/08/2023 20:06

Remembermynamealways · 09/08/2023 17:40

What the actual….
This whole debacle has just gone way too far, and now a baby is dead, mother traumatised not to mention the medics.

Holy god, the laws need to be tightened significantly to protect everyone, most of all a baby in the womb.

Both parent and fetus would have died had the pregnancy progressed - that's why the operation took nine hours and an ITU stay - the placenta was in the scar tissue, which causes uterine rupture.

Chersfrozenface · 09/08/2023 21:11

NeverDropYourMooncup · 09/08/2023 20:06

Both parent and fetus would have died had the pregnancy progressed - that's why the operation took nine hours and an ITU stay - the placenta was in the scar tissue, which causes uterine rupture.

If a pregnancy test had been carried out, a scan would have followed very quickly and detected the problem, so the procedure could have been carried out in a more planned manner.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 09/08/2023 21:33

Chersfrozenface · 09/08/2023 21:11

If a pregnancy test had been carried out, a scan would have followed very quickly and detected the problem, so the procedure could have been carried out in a more planned manner.

Even if they did provide scans immediately upon a positive test and she wouldn't have been left for weeks until rupture, it doesn't change the fact that the fetus would never have made it to birth and the patient would have had to undergo an difficult and dangerous surgery as an emergency.

NotBadConsidering · 09/08/2023 21:36

NeverDropYourMooncup · 09/08/2023 20:06

Both parent and fetus would have died had the pregnancy progressed - that's why the operation took nine hours and an ITU stay - the placenta was in the scar tissue, which causes uterine rupture.

This is not true. It seems they stumbled across a placenta accreta. If this is found as part of routine pregnancy assessment such as scans at 12 or 20 weeks, it becomes a high risk pregnancy, usually with a very risky controlled delivery around the 35 week mark. This patient’s pregnancy could have progressed to a success outcome. It could also have led to pregnancy loss later or bleeding at some stage needing emergency surgery with a similar outcome to this but it would have been known about, so there would have been a cell saver, cross match etc.

What most likely happened is they discovered the placenta accreta intraoperatively and ran into a nightmare of complications such as bleeding, hence it ended up being a 9 hour operation.

It’s very likely a hysterectomy would have been performed, but a healthy baby was a possible outcome.

feellikeanalien · 09/08/2023 21:41

I had placenta percreta (a more serious form of placenta acreta). The placenta was attaching to my bowel. DD was born prematurely at 28 weeks and I had to have an emergency hysterectomy otherwise I would have bled to death.

This was not identified until after delivery. They did actually try to remove the placenta which is not something I would wish on anyone. The baby in this case might have survived depending on how far advanced the condition was.

This whole situation is tragic for all concerned and I really hope that the fact of the patient being trans was not relevant in this case.

porridgeisbae · 09/08/2023 23:39

They did ask. They asked a series of questions which led them to believe there was no possibility of the patient being pregnant

I've said that before but they refused to just take my word for it, and did a test.

sashh · 10/08/2023 03:25

has had their sex life speculated over in some rather crass ways

This person was pregnant, are you saying they didn't have PIV sex?

POWL01 · 10/08/2023 06:48

RoyalCorgi · 09/08/2023 09:59

Yes, it does seem as if this was nothing to do with the patient being trans and was simply a cock-up on the part of the hospital. They should have done a pregnancy test, and didn't.

Having said that, it seems incredible that this person didn't conduct their own pregnancy test. Why wouldn't you?

I wouldn't do another tbh, I'd have assumed the hospital had done one as they said they would. Especially if I wasn't trying and was unaware of the pregnancy 🤷‍♀️

IWillNoLie · 10/08/2023 08:38

POWL01 · 10/08/2023 06:48

I wouldn't do another tbh, I'd have assumed the hospital had done one as they said they would. Especially if I wasn't trying and was unaware of the pregnancy 🤷‍♀️

If you were suspicious enough that you might be pregnant that you considered buying a test and asked about testing ten days prior to your surgery, you would still wait until you had arranged your life (childcare) around your hospital stay, got to hospital and being prepped for surgery before testing? This was also covid times so in the uk you would have had to self-isolate for those ten days and have a covid test. Why would you do that if you were concerned enough you might be pregnant that you wanted confirmation the hospital would test ten days earlier? Why not buy a test and avoid all that hassle?

SunnieShine · 10/08/2023 08:41

Blinkinbloodyhayfever · 09/08/2023 09:54

He should have taken responsibility and done a pregnancy test himself. The mind boggles, quite honestly.

She. Men don't need to take pregnancy tests. Women do.

knitnerd90 · 10/08/2023 08:42

Reading the article, they just relied on the questionnaire instead of doing tests in everyone like they should have done. This could have happened to someone who wasn't trans. This was poor procedure and a massive hospital cockup. You should never rely solely on the patient's word, either about their sexual history or even taking a test. People's memories are unreliable. People lie.

the condition with the placenta sounds like placenta accreta (more severe forms are percreta and increta) It can happen without previous C-sections but the previous scar tissue increases the risk. Depending on the exact situation the baby may be viable. Everything depends on the level of penetration. There are uterine sparing procedures, but many times a hysterectomy is required. Allowing the placenta to try to detach naturally can result in hemorrhage and death.

MeridianB · 10/08/2023 09:20

I'm hiding this thread now as MN and the OP haven't changed the title and it's giving me the rage every time I see 'man' with 'hysterectomy' and 'baby' in the same line.

viques · 10/08/2023 10:22

MeridianB · 10/08/2023 09:20

I'm hiding this thread now as MN and the OP haven't changed the title and it's giving me the rage every time I see 'man' with 'hysterectomy' and 'baby' in the same line.

I quite like the title, reminds everyone that a trans man is a woman , just as a trans woman is a man.

We need to keep reminding people of these simple facts and not allow ourselves to be distracted by the shouting.

Titfortat78 · 10/08/2023 14:29

Obviously but he's trans. They often have relationships with people also trans. So if he was in a relationship with a trans woman still with they're penis why shouldn't they be able to have sex? The hysterectomy was probably the first stage of his sex change.

Blinkinbloodyhayfever · 10/08/2023 17:22

SunnieShine · 10/08/2023 08:41

She. Men don't need to take pregnancy tests. Women do.

Case and point really. Gaslighty gender swap language confuses the issue.

literalviolence · 13/08/2023 22:34

The hospital certainly should not rely on the answers given by someone with such a tenuous grasp of reality that they believe themselves to be a man when they're clearly a woman.

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