Transman loses baby during hysterectomy

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Transgender patient loses unborn baby while undergoing hysterectomy while four months pregnant https://mol.im/a/12387829

This article is horrifying.
In my experience women are always given pregnancy tests before surgery, what the hell happened here?

Of course the hospital was at fault.

I'd be interested to know if they test as a matter of regular procedure and if this was waived for the patient because of that individual's trans status.

What an idiot

This patient has been pregnant before..they have C section scar.
It's not like it's their first rodeo.

There would be 'Quickening' by 12 weeks, surely, plus they ''Put their morning sickness down to flu?''

How can an experienced mother be so unaware in these circs as to not realise they were pregnant by 16 weeks?, not to mention there would be a change in waistline.

Here in the UK, I was even given a pregnancy test prior to minor surgery under GA to have a haemorrhaging uterine polyp removed when I was 60.

This is a story worthy of international notice. This is a case of negligence. The process is severely flawed for whatever reason.

@Flickersy

He wished to remove his womb and ovaries as part of his transition process and was confirmed for surgery 10 days before the operation occurred

It was part of the transition. That's why, in my view, it is loaded to call it a hysterectomy.

@Datun if the nurse genuinely thought she was talking to a man, surely the nurse would query a hysterectomy...?

My head hurts with all this

No accounting for stupid.

Especially as this person has given birth before!

I was once working in gynae theatres and we had a young woman with fibroids on the table. The surgeon asked for another (urine) pregnancy test there and then. Very simple and quickly done. Negative. The op went ahead.

She looked pregnant, but wasn't. Some women won't look pregnant but will be. If they've had multiple pregnancies the uterus may well be bulky, even without another pregnancy in it.

I think this is basically a case of hospital systems failure with an overlay of other issues, such as the pandemic, the trans issue and Victoria being a totally captured state.

they are delusional

Mr Pohlner was told the hysterectomy would have been required regardless of the pregnancy because the placenta was growing into his C-section scar.

This was also stated in the article.

They didn't necessarily have unprotected sex.

The process has been updated now thankfully, every woman will be tested and they don't rely on a questionnaire anymore.

I agree. What if it was called gender affirmation surgery or some such bollocks?

It sounds far-fetched, I know.

But I didn't realise that own health service would deny that a woman had been raped because the man in front of them wasn't a man.

If the patient was on testosterone she would be experiencing her body differently. I can't recall what the article says, if anything, about that. So absence of periods, mood swings, whatever, might be put down to that. I dont know, just guessing.

i expect the hospital concerned will now be the safest place to have that operation as theyll have rigorously investigated their procedures.

But healthcare depends on all of us being honest, patients and carers alike, which just isn't happening now.

But I thought one of the tenents of GC was that you can't change sex and another was to use language correctly.

Therefore its far more appropriate to call an operation to remove a uterus a hysterectomy than a sex change operation

I don't think we should change the name of medical procedures depending on the reasons for having them. I guess calling it an elective hysterectomy would be appropriate though

That only became evident after the procedure had been started.

Transition was the reason for booking in for the procedure.

So they were having PIV intercourse in the last 4 months at least, how is that living as a man? Unless they were raped, which of course would be horrific (but there is no mention of this in the article, not that everything has to be in there)

She, you mean. Men do not get pregnant.

but they did have sex,...

Hospital cock-up. This is why they do hcg tests routinely. My widowed, menopausal mum had to do a test at the age of 54 before starting chemo, because it had been less than 12 months since her last period.

Horrendous on many levels. Would the transman have chosen to continue the pregnancy had they known they were pregnant? They lost that choice. Would they have opted for an abortion and returned at a later date for the hysterectomy? They lost that choice. Would the surgical team assembled for the hysterectomy not have palpated the area or used ultrasound at any point before making the first incision (evidently not?) It must have been horrific for them embarking upon the procedure and then realising there was a baby in the womb.

All round an absolute disaster.

A pregnancy test would have been so simple to do.

I saw a young transman on Instagram the other day. They had a child. Looking back through their account it became evident that a gender clinic in Edinburgh had prescribed them Testosterone after a few consultations (they were very early twenties possibly late teens and had travelled up from the south of England). They then discovered they were already pregnant when they started on Testosterone and chose to stop and have the baby.

I was aghast at the possibility that they hadn’t done a pregnancy test or asked the right questions of this obviously sexually active young female before prescribing them Testosterone. Maybe they were too early in their pregnancy to test positive I don’t know. Either way I thought it negligent. I looked up the clinic and the Dr they named as being ‘brilliant’ - they have seemingly retired overseas now.

The transman has gone on to have top surgery and seemingly advises other would-be ‘seahorse Dads’ on pregnancy, birth and parenting.

They're working with what they've got I suppose. I certainly am not an advocate for bodily mutilation in name of so-called gender authenticity.

Since the hospital messed up here, and it wasn't necessarily the patients fault or related to their trans status, it seems a bit unfair to keep this thread running.

No we shouldn't change the names of operations, or anatomy, or any of it. And many women have been saying this for ages.

Whilst simultaneously health services all over the shop are changing the names of things to obscure sex. Pregnant people.

Like a woman lying about being raped, because the man who raped her wasn't a man.

It doesn't get more obscure than that.