AIBU in thinking the special talk guidelines are out of date?

[TinselAngel]

Post Forstater and in the current climate where the assault on women's rights is being discussed everywhere, AIBU to say the special FWR guidelines are no longer necessary?

MN no longer needs special rules to appease the activists who monitor the site, in order to maintain its ability to host the debate, when it is no longer the only site where the topic can be discussed.

I posted the something on the Trans Widows Escape Committee thread a couple of days ago, and it was deleted, it was my first ever deletion on that thread in 6 years. As an experiment I posted the same thing on Twitter and nobody batted an eyelid there.

Is it time we women of FWR, and in particular trans widows, were allowed to speak freely?

I can assure you that the other poster was very much about shaming women for their response to the OP.

little highly repetitive videos of facial expressions and such
They're called gifs.

Personally, I find removing the genitals of gender non- conforming teenagers pretty homophobic.

bumsnet? Sweetie. You are up quite late, aren't you?

I see the new plopper is making themselves known on a variety of threads.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1688039099330879488

This is interesting!

Elon Musk@elonmusk
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5hIf you were unfairly treated by your employer due to posting or liking something on this platform, we will fund your legal bill.

No limit.

Please let us know.

Blimey, Elon. That’s amazing.

That is amazing.. feel like this should be an FWR sticky

That is an extraordinary development from Elon Musk.

Who’d have thought , ten years ago that JKRowling would be a major women’s rights campaigner. And Elon Musk would be a major force for free speech. Some people really pull it out of the bag, when they really don’t have to care.

That’s great. So much of a battle comes down to funding the fight

Great stuff

‘Castration’ refers to male and female. It can be surgical or chemical.

’Orchiectomy’ only refers to male surgery.

I will never forget seeing a young detrans women lament her castration, performee in pursuit of the impossible (at the MCR detrans event in 2019).

Castration was the word she chose.

Wow. He really, really doesn't want this ideology claiming Twitter is transphobic, does he?

I imagine Musk is irritated by this guy, a man who doesn't see the irony of claiming Musk is doing all the things that he has been instrumental in enabling employers, corporations, foundations and charities to do - engage in censorship, especially of women. Yeah, Imran Ahmed, mirrors indeed.

I've got a fiver on Musk for the win. The litigation, if it happens, will shine a lot of light on what this guy and his organisation have been up to, and why.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/aug/06/when-we-held-up-a-mirror-to-elon-musks-twitterx-he-tried-to-sue-us-into-silence

That org sounds awfully like the ‘The Disinformation Project’ in NZ.

Which claims to be against disinformation whilst perpetrating misinformation!

Given the results of the survey that so many people didn't understand that a transwoman was born male, I think the argument about 'educating people' really has taken a different turn. It highlights the point about the lack of clear English, euphemisms and lack of proper consent.

I saw that story late last night on the Times or Telegraph website (too tired to remember!), @RedToothBrush and it’s now getting huge exposure in the Mail Online.

Very important development, I would say.

If you don't understand what a transwomen is how can you give consent to sharing facilities?

Politicians are firmly pulling the wool over eyes if they are trying to use the phrase transwomen are women. It's foul to say the least.

Here's a link to a DM article on the MBM survey, with a quote from Maya

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12379423/More-Brits-not-know-transgender-women-biologically-male-poll-finds.html

I have now located the link to the MBM survey data if anyone is interested.

https://murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Survation-full-data-June-2023-1.xlsx

i will have a look at it later today.

Also, this story is in the Telegraph today. Woman who wanted single-sex care and wouldn't observe pronoun diktats wins apology from hospital for failing to respect her dignity. (Use archive . ph to read - drop in the URL - if you can't read it otherwise.)

It really does finally feel like the landscape is changing.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/06/teresa-steele-same-sex-care-denied-surgery-nhs-london-hca/

She's being very gracious

She alleges that she was the victim of discrimination and suffered direct harm because of The Princess Grace’s decision to cancel her operation but has said that she will waive any legal action if the hospital puts in place protections for other patients.

I hope she doesn't have to go ahead with legal action.

Also the transnurse 'inadvertently' entered her room . I hope so. The alternatives, he was metaphorically pissing on his territory or he'd been set up by his colleagues, aren't very nice.