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Woman's Hour want to know who you'd like to have on ...

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ArabeIIaScott · 30/07/2023 19:04

https://twitter.com/BBCWomansHour/status/1685591062331682816

'Do you ever discuss a topic and think: ‘I’d love to hear that on Woman’s Hour’? Well, here’s your chance! Listener Week is coming up & we'd like to hear from YOU! Whether it's personal stories or guest suggestions, let us know what you want to hear'

The comments are interesting, but clearly all the many women commenting are not the right kind of women for Womans Hour.

https://twitter.com/BBCWomansHour/status/1685591062331682816

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/07/2023 19:08

Helen Joyce! Articulate, insightful and so clear about the core issues. (They'll move heaven and earth to keep her silent) .

HermioneWeasley · 30/07/2023 19:09

Why are they bothering asking us when they ignored us last time?

ArabeIIaScott · 30/07/2023 19:11

I dunno, Hermione. Part of me likes the fact that this will remain as a record of how fucking craven and wrong headed so-called women's groups and organisations have become over these issues.

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ArabeIIaScott · 30/07/2023 19:15

If they disagree with Helen Joyce et al, fine - have them on and debate the issues! Have on someone to counter the 'gc' arguments. Either grow a bloody backbone, or fuck off into obscurity. Stop calling yourselves women's advocates if you are working so damn hard to silence women you disagree with. It's actually worse than having no advocates at all.

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IwantToRetire · 30/07/2023 19:34

I am slightly taken aback at the suggestions which seem to show that those who use twitter only know about a very few women, and for some reason think Helen Joyce is the most important. (Yes I know twitter is just an empty echo chamber, but maybe that's why media companies use it.)

Am not on twitter (and any way they wouldn't bother to notice) but would suggest a round up of all the women who may not have written a book, but have actually lost their job, their child/ren, friends, membership of the Labour Party just for believing in the biological fact of sex.

The reality of what is going is, is what is horrendous. Women's Hour should at least acknowledge this by making public these women whose lives have been turned upside down by TRAs.

ArabeIIaScott · 30/07/2023 19:36

Helen Joyce is a known figure, happy to talk, eloquent, thoughtful, insightful and intelligent as well as entertaining. It's not about being 'important', what an odd take.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2023 19:36

Maya. Helen Joyce. JKR, just for a few ideas. There are thousands of different angles they could interview gender critical feminists on.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2023 19:37

Rosie Duffield

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2023 19:38

@IwantToRetire you do you, and other people will say what they want to. Helen is extraordinarily good at articulating the issues.

ArabeIIaScott · 30/07/2023 19:38

For sure. It's interesting to see one woman, who I'm pretty sure would be amenable to being on Woman's Hour, and provides excellent interviews, being suggested over and over again.

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IwantToRetire · 30/07/2023 19:40

Helen Joyce is a known figure

Not really, in fact only in a sort of BBC type of way.

And not reflective of how women's lives are being lived.

We dont need women who write to present themselves as our "representatives".

We need women who are on the front line being given a voice.

And KJK has shown how much more immediate and insightful that is via LWS.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/07/2023 19:40

ArabeIIaScott · 30/07/2023 19:36

Helen Joyce is a known figure, happy to talk, eloquent, thoughtful, insightful and intelligent as well as entertaining. It's not about being 'important', what an odd take.

More "policing" of women's views on here 🙄
The great thing about this board is that women feel free to make suggestions, speak and work things out without the dead hand of transactivists silencing us.
And for anyone who hasn't heard Helen speaking (she committed the crime of writing a well respected book - Trans) here's a link to her in conversation with Richard Dawkins:

Enjoy.

"Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality" - My conversation with Helen Joyce

Here is my conversation with Helen J on 'The Poetry of Reality', tackling the influence of gender ideology on society, the ideological lens, and its implicat...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu72Lu5FqE4

Woman2023 · 30/07/2023 19:41

I could suggest plenty of women, but Helen Joyce is such an obvious "oversight" as if she had written a best seller about any other current topic they would have interviewed her. They've had men on with a lot less talent.

ArabeIIaScott · 30/07/2023 19:42

IwantToRetire · 30/07/2023 19:40

Helen Joyce is a known figure

Not really, in fact only in a sort of BBC type of way.

And not reflective of how women's lives are being lived.

We dont need women who write to present themselves as our "representatives".

We need women who are on the front line being given a voice.

And KJK has shown how much more immediate and insightful that is via LWS.

'only in a sort of BBC type of way' - eh?!

Here she is with Megyn Kelly.

Trans Activist Emotional Blackmail, Silencing Women, and Redefining Language, with Helen Joyce

Megyn Kelly is joined by Helen Joyce, author of "Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality," to talk about how trans activists are changing the language to redefine...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNw9j-Oeaa8

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2023 19:42

Didn't they have Grace Lavery on, of all people?

WarriorN · 30/07/2023 19:42

IwantToRetire · 30/07/2023 19:34

I am slightly taken aback at the suggestions which seem to show that those who use twitter only know about a very few women, and for some reason think Helen Joyce is the most important. (Yes I know twitter is just an empty echo chamber, but maybe that's why media companies use it.)

Am not on twitter (and any way they wouldn't bother to notice) but would suggest a round up of all the women who may not have written a book, but have actually lost their job, their child/ren, friends, membership of the Labour Party just for believing in the biological fact of sex.

The reality of what is going is, is what is horrendous. Women's Hour should at least acknowledge this by making public these women whose lives have been turned upside down by TRAs.

Suggest that on the twitter- X thread?

The thing is that HJ is exceptionally good at Spelling Out the BS.

Women I know heard Sharron Spelling Out the BS.

They don't want her on as she's guaranteed to say the A word....

And we want that on there!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2023 19:43

And with Richard Dawkins yesterday. Getting the message out there.

IwantToRetire · 30/07/2023 19:43

Sorry having an opinion is policing.

Sometimes responses on here by posters who cant imagine that everybody doesn't agree with them are bizarre.

And to repeat what i said upthread. Ask a question on twitter and you will get a twitter type response.

Which is why the media uses twitter, one of the least used social media platforms, so that they dont have to deal with a wider reality.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/07/2023 19:43

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2023 19:42

Didn't they have Grace Lavery on, of all people?

Yup - talking about their book about their penis. 😓

WarriorN · 30/07/2023 19:43

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2023 19:42

Didn't they have Grace Lavery on, of all people?

Yes.

They don't want the A word. Would break the radio...

Woman2023 · 30/07/2023 19:43

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2023 19:42

Didn't they have Grace Lavery on, of all people?

I believe they did.

I think anyone who has better suggestions should get on Twitter and make them there.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2023 19:44

Sometimes responses on here by posters who cant imagine that everybody doesn't agree with them are bizarre.

You are free to disagree, and suggest someone else, but merailing the thread to scold others is pretty tiresome.

FloweryWowery · 30/07/2023 19:45

Lisa Nandy. I met her years ago and liked her. Then she said male rapists should be welcomed into women's prisons. What the hell happened there?

WarriorN · 30/07/2023 19:45

To be fair @MrsOvertonsWindow, I still want a gif of Emma saying "staggering penis" in the exaggerated way she said it.

Because it was clear she wasn't buying it.

Woman2023 · 30/07/2023 19:46

I actually think a large number of women suggesting the same woman is a good thing. It makes it more obvious that it's a political decision for them to continue to ignore her, thus not covering current issues successfully.

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